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Tuesday, August 2, 2011

Court hears tape of Warren Jeffs instructing 14-year old 'spiritual wife' on how to please him sexually, and thereby please God




  • Pictures show head of Mormon sect with young redhead he is accused of raping





  • Court hears him explain how he likes to be pleased sexually





  • He told his young wives they were 'honorable vessels' and journalese about how they were 'willing to obey'




  • Drama: Warren Jeffs, leaves the court Drama: Warren Jeffs, leaves the court
    Warren Jeffs, head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, is accused of sexually assaulting two girls, ages 12 and 15, he took as brides in 'spiritual marriages.'
    The Texan court heard the tape which details how the youngster was to please him sexually.
    This came after a doctor and forensic analyst had testified the 55-year-old was the father of the 15-year-old's child.
    An excerpt from hundreds of pages of Mr Jeffs' personal journals said the child was 'pure and innocent and willing to obey' and he summoned her parents and 'informed them of their girl belonging to me.'
    Prosecutors played the tape of Warren Jeffs talking to the girl when she was 14 after Texas Ranger Nick Hannah testified about documents and electronic files seized during a 2008 police raid at the church's remote compound in West Texas.
    Among the documents seized was a record of Jeffs' spiritual marriage 'for time and all eternity' with the 14-year-old in January 2004.
    The FLDS church believes polygamy brings exaltation in heaven. 
    Followers see Jeffs as a prophet who is God's spokesman on earth.
    Hannah read from Mr Jeffs' journals, which said he took the 14-year-old the night after their wedding with him and another of his new wives on a car ride outside the church's headquarters along the Utah-Arizona border for 'training.'
    There, he instructed them on their responsibilities as his wives and had the session taped. The recording was transcribed and placed in church records later seized by police.

    Lead prosecutor Eric Nichols played the tape for jurors, who followed along using transcripts.
    The recording was difficult to understand due to traffic noise, and the transcript wasn't made public.
    'A good wife is trained for her husband and follows the spirit of peace,' Jeffs is heard saying.
    He also makes reference to 'drawing close' or 'being close,' which is how church members refer to sex. Two female voices are heard saying 'OK.'
    Members of The FLDS: a radical offshoot of mainstream Mormonism that believes polygamy is the key to heaven
    The FLDS: a radical offshoot of mainstream Mormonism that believes polygamy is the key to heaven

    In writing about the session in his journal later, Jeffs said he told his wives they were 'honorable vessels, property of your husband's kingdom and the Kingdom of God on Earth.'
    Mr Jeffs has represented himself since firing his high-powered attorneys last week.
    Warning: Judge Barbara Walther, who limps after suffering from polio, was told by Jeffs that God had sent 'a crippling disease upon her which shall take her life soon'
    Warning: Judge Barbara Walther, who limps after suffering from polio, was told by Jeffs that God had sent 'a crippling disease upon her which shall take her life soon' 

    He objected half a dozen times to the tape being played, arguing that the training session was protected by religious privacy rights.

    State District Judge Barbara Walther overruled him.
    Hannah read excerpts of Mr Jeffs' journal where he described the Lord ordering him to visit Eldorado, Texas, about 45 miles south of San Angelo, and the church purchasing 1,700 acres of land outside the town for $1.2 million in 2003. He called the area 'Place of Refuge 17,' or R-17.
    'This will only be a place of refuge if it is kept sacred and secret,' Mr Jeffs wrote, adding that his followers should populate the area and let 'a community grow here more in hiding before the neighbors find out.'
    He told followers to plant cotton and raise animals and said they could build whatever they wanted thanks to Texas' lax zoning laws. Construction teams working around-the-clock erected dozens of buildings, including a sprawling, white-limestone temple.
    Texas authorities raided the compound in April 2008 after receiving a call to an abuse hotline that turned out to be a hoax.
    More than 400 FLDS children who were placed in protective custody were eventually returned to their families.
    But police saw underage girls who were clearly pregnant and found Jeffs' journals and the other documents in a vault at the end of a secret passageway in the temple.
    Testifying: Former sect member Rebecca Musser, outside court yesterday, said the church teaches young girls that pleasing men i'pleases God¿
    Testifying: Former sect member Rebecca Musser, outside court yesterday, said the church teaches young girls that pleasing men 'pleases God'

    Evidence: Texas Rangers move boxes of evidence for the trial at Tom Green County Courthouse in San Angelo, Texas
    Evidence: Texas Rangers move boxes of evidence for the trial at Tom Green County Courthouse in San Angelo, Texas

    Another vault in an annex building provided still more records and files.
    Jeffs and 11 other FLDS men were charged with crimes including sexual assault and bigamy. So far, all seven who have been prosecuted have been convicted — receiving prison sentences of between six and 75 years.
    Mugshot: Jeffs after being arrested following the 2009 raid on his church
    Mugshot: Jeffs after being arrested following the 2009 raid on his church

    The development comes after gasps were released from jurors yesterday when pictures were revealed showing him kissing and cuddling a 12-year-old girl.
    The photographs show Jeffs with a young redhead, who he is alleged to have raped, grinning and kissing the girl.
    The images were said to have been taken July 27, 2006 – days after the girl’s 12th birthday.
    Jeffs also made a third attempt to remove the trial judge Barbara Walther yesterday, claiming God himself had demanded she ‘step away from this abuse of power against a religious and pure faith in the Lord’.

    He addressed the judge directly, saying: ‘I, your lord, say to you, I shall bring to light your evil intent now, before all people, to destroy my Church on earth.’
    Jeffs has repeatedly called the raid an illegal search and wants a separate hearing on whether authorities violated his First Amendment rights to freedom of religion.
    Mrs Walther, who walks with a limp after suffering polio in childhood, has refused - prompting three different calls to recuse her by the defendant, whose followers believe is God’s spokesman.
    Jeffs also attached what he called ‘Exhibit A’, consisting of 29 orders from the Lord, including one in which God sent ‘a crippling disease upon (Walther) which shall take her life soon.’
    He regularly objects when prosecutors enter new evidence — arguing that his religious freedoms are being trampled.
    Old-fashioned garb: Women from Jeffs's polygamist sect pictured after their relocation from Yearning for Zion in 2008
    Old-fashioned garb: Women from Jeffs's polygamist sect pictured after their relocation from Yearning for Zion in 2008

    Yesterday Jeffs told the court: ‘We are a people of historical abuse. This is not new to us because of prejudice in the populace and government.’
    Lawyers usually ignore his objections and let Mrs Walther overrule them.
    But yesterday lead prosecutor Eric Nichols finally hit out by responded that ‘this is not a proceeding against a people. This is a proceeding against an individual.’
    Mrs Walther yesterday ruled that a hearing would eventually take place on Mr Jeffs’s motion, but that the trial would continue .
    She said new Texas Supreme Court rules meant that an immediate hearing was no longer required to recuse a judge after a case has begins.
    No date has been set for a hearing on Jeffs' motion.
    The trial continued with forensic analyst Amy Smuts, of the Human Identification Center at the University of North Texas in Fort Worth, testifying that a DNA sample collected from Jeffs had 15 major markers that matched a sample taken from a girl born to a 15-year-old mother.
    Miss Smuts said that made her ‘more than 99.99 per cent certain’ that Jeffs fathered the child, who was born in October 2005.
    In other testimony, former sect member Rebecca Musser explained that FLDS women are taught that they must rely on their husbands or fathers to find grace in heaven.
    Interaction: A sketch of lead prosecutor Eric Nichols speaking to the jury on Friday. Today, he showed them pictures of Jeffs kissing a 12-year-old girl
    Interaction: A sketch of lead prosecutor Eric Nichols speaking to the jury on Friday. Monday, he showed them pictures of Jeffs kissing a 12-year-old girl
    She also said the church governs all aspects of members' lives, from dictating when they wake up every day to what clothes they wear, what work they do, how they comb their hair, and what they eat.
    Miss Musser was born into the sect but left in 2002. She was married in 1995, at age 19, to 85-year-old Rulon Jeffs, Warren Jeffs' father and predecessor as ecclesiastical leader.
    She said Warren personally gave detailed lectures to young girls on what was expected of them sexually once they were ordered into spiritual marriages with older members.
    ‘They are taught what the duties are as a wife to that husband, not just spiritually but physically,’ she said.
    ‘You give yourself to him and that means body, mind and spirit.’
    Mr Nichols asked: ‘Are young girls taught that giving themselves to that man and pleasing him is, in effect, pleasing God?’
    ‘Yes,’ Miss Musser replied.
    Authorities raided the Yearning For Zion compound, 45 miles south of San Angeleno, after receiving an anonymous call to an abuse shelter, alleging that girls at the compound were being forced into polygamist marriages.
    The call turned out to be a hoax, and more than 400 children who had been placed in state custody were returned to their families.
    But police seized marriage records and thousands of pages of documents and eventually charged Jeffs and 11 other FLDS men.
    All seven sect members who have been prosecuted so far were convicted of crimes including sexual assault and bigamy and received prison sentences of between six and 75 years.
    Jeffs went through seven attorneys in the six months leading up to the trial, firing his last defense team just as opening statements were to begin.

    28 comments:

    1. This is the unfortunate consequence of a religious mandate which dictates that a man must have a minimum of three wives to obtain the highest rewards in heaven, and the more wives, the higher the reward : the number of adult females available plummets and child brides are taken by older men to guarantee their reward. Sick.

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    2. Definitely a creep. He abused his position and his religion to take sexual advantage of these women. He created some porn girl on girl fantasy for his own sick, sadistic pleasure.

      I hate how these FLDS women feel they have to do all these things to earn their spot in the after life. They might not be brainwashed, per se, but the sure the heck are indoctrinated.

      During research, I have seen polygamous families talk about sex among sister wives, however, in public it is vehemently denied. Even knowing this, it is always shocking and disgusting to hear it confirmed - especially in the the news, including Jeffs and under age females.

      Sad.

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    3. And what's worse than the sicko Jeffs in my opinion is that those little girls what to wear the 'do. UGH. He had plenty of wives, did he not? This is just pure sexual abuse.
      Men trading their young children in for favors with Jeffs, women secretly mourning the loss loss said children.
      I know MS said that we should consider them two different cases, but where will Kody be in 10 years? Needing new blood. Like a Vampire.

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    4. "This is the unfortunate consequence of a religious mandate which dictates that a man must have a minimum of three wives to obtain the highest rewards in heaven, and the more wives, the higher the reward : the number of adult females available plummets and child brides are taken by older men to guarantee their reward. Sick. "

      WELL SAID!

      What else can you say other than, it will never equal out, and even if your AUB, or CIA,(HAHA), 3/1 is not working, someone is going to be left behind or hurt. (IE, the boys).
      AUB, of, we don't screw the little ones, we just kick the boys out of everything they have EVER known at 18. then it's all legal.

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    5. Does this not expose much more than they care to admit? I bet his sons are real charmers.

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    6. His sons have probably been "lost" - after all, they'd be competition for all those pre-teen girls! I'm sure his girls are farmed out to his friends, maybe in a quid pro quo bid where he gets one for each one of his (or two for him, maybe, him being the big cheese and all).

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    7. It's scary. How many men believe this is OK in that sect, and all must TOLERATE it to be there. How many are FLDS?

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    8. What scares me if if the monster get life, will he have is congregaton drink the Kool-Aid?

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    9. I was just going to say that! Great minds think alike, or maybe it was over the computer lines....heehee

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    10. Ok, game time!!!
      Ms called him Weirdo Warren. now you don't HAVE to use his name, but how many names can you come up for him?

      Jerky Jeffs (being polite)

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    11. 'This will only be a place of refuge if it is kept sacred and secret,

      IOW... a secret place to me and the guys to do what we want.

      Secret, intstill fear of "the man".....hmmm.....do you think they ALL do this, YES!

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    12. 'A good wife is trained for her husband and follows the spirit of peace,' Jeffs is heard saying.
      He also makes reference to 'drawing close' or 'being close,' which is how church members refer to sex. Two female voices are heard saying 'OK.'

      An excerpt from hundreds of pages of Mr Jeffs' personal journals said the child was 'pure and innocent and willing to obey' and he summoned her parents and 'informed them of their girl belonging to me.'

      Sorry, I just keep coming back up to this one and reading it over and over.... revolting and putrid. the parents were like, A-OK, with this?

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    13. WOW! Just sick.

      I am guessing Robyn will come out guns blazing against FLDS every time Weirdo Warren (great moniker btw) makes the head lines.

      I wish I had a twitter to ask her what HeroinofParis meant when she said they were here to show the differences between FLDS and LDS and then ask Robyn how come she didn't pipe up about her FLDS denials before FLDS Weirdo Warren made head lines as a defunct pervo she was fine being FLDS then, fine when Kody said they were on the show?

      LuvgvsUwngs Robyn Sullivan Brown
      The Warren Jeffs trial has made me so mad! Anyone who uses a religion to cover up abuse deserves to rot in jail! #Sisterwives
      2 hours ago

      LuvgvsUwngs Robyn Sullivan Brown
      Our family, the Brown family who is featured on #Sisterwives is NOT FLDS and does not support the abuse in that church.
      2 hours ago

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    14. I wonder if Rebecca Musser is one of the two little girls, or was a forced wife.
      FriendofFlora
      FreeAndClear,
      give us updates...I have a sneaky suspicion that you and a few others know about this. Maybe an Annonymous?

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    15. Snowflake said...
      His sons have probably been "lost" - after all, they'd be competition for all those pre-teen girls! I'm sure his girls are farmed out to his friends, maybe in a quid pro quo bid where he gets one for each one of his (or two for him, maybe, him being the big cheese and all).

      I'd say your right on the money. And his girls? Trade offs. Are children nothing to the Mormons?

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    16. Rebecca Musser was coerced into marrying Warren Jeff's father, not Warren.

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    17. One bad apple doesn't spoil the bunch. He's doing what he thinks is right and just. I'm sure all you Christians, Jews and Catholics never have a minister in trouble. Would you not stand by him, and love him through it. The world is persecuting us for our religion, just like he said and his father said they would do. How did he know that would happen? Everybody afraid to come on here and say the truth. not me.

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    18. Would we stand by and love a minister in trouble through it ? Absolutely not, we would want him or her in jail. There is NOTHING in the Mormon Scriptures which requires a man to take an underage bride. NOTHING. In fact, Joseph Smith admonished all his followers to obey the laws of the US. Warren Jeffs violated the laws of his country and now he will go to jail because of it.

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    19. I would not , could not stand by a "minister in trouble". I do understand how that happens though however, you are not being persecuted for your religion your religion is being used as a tool against your own people by a false personality, you should want justice and new leadership just as equally. There is no excuse for Warren. None. No where is what he has done supported.

      There is an article this morning on 'bleeding the beasts". It loosely covers church owning all properties to avoid taxes, welfare collection etc.

      http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/03/bleeding-the-beast-polygamist-sect-accused-of-abusing-welfare/

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    20. My dear Esther Ruth, and all like-minded others,

      To quote your Good Book,

      Matthew 7 15-18: "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so, every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit. Neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit."

      Scripture tells us that we can see what Mr. Jeffs is, and others like him are, because of what he does and the results of those actions.

      Again, the Bible speaks about what results tell us in Matthew 12, 33-34: "Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."

      I believe Friend of Flora has a really good point about loving someone and wanting them to take responsibility for their actions.

      I have my own thoughts on how Mr. Jeffs displays characteristics of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. More on that in another comment.

      Terrasola

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    21. I mentioned up-thread that I think Warren Jeffs displays characteristics of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). First, let me explain that I have an immediate family member who has been diagnosed with NPD, and I have experienced the chaos and fear of living with a personality disordered person so I think I am able to discuss this subject from the level of a layperson's experiential knowledge (i.e. been there, done that, and I know what I'm talking about).

      The Diagnostic and Statistic Manual of Mental Disorders, version 4 (DSM IV) explains NPD and lists the 9 diagnostic criteria (this manual is being overhauled, but is valid for now):

      NPD is a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by 5 (or more) of the following:
      1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
      2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
      3. Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special/high-status people (or institutions)
      4. Requires excessive admiration
      5. Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
      6. Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his/her own ends
      7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings/needs of others
      8. Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him/her
      9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors/attitudes

      Personality disorders, such as NPD, involve inflexible and pervasive patterns of behavior and usually cause serious personal and social difficulties, as well as general difficulties functioning in society. Personality disordered persons have rigid and ongoing patterns of feeling, thinking and behavior that are thought to be caused by underlying belief systems (which experts refer to as fixed fantasies).

      (Note: See Wikipedia for more info).

      I am NOT NOT NOT, repeat NOT, a mental health professional. However, everything I have read and seen concerning Mr. Jeffs supports my theory that he has mental health issues, possibly NPD. I do not know whether Mr. Jeffs has received a psychiatric evaluation and, if so, what the results were.

      In my experience, we can "love" persons with NPD (even though they cannot love us back as they do not understand the meaning of this emotion and cannot experience it, only mimic it) but only from a distance. This is similar to how we treat people with untreatable communicable diseases. We protect ourselves and take precautions not to be affected by their disease. Therefore, I would never allow myself, or my friends and family, to interact with Mr. Jeffs.

      This is my personal opinion and not necessarily the opinion of Mister Sister or the sponsors of this blog, any other commenters, any other blog, Sister Wives, Brother Husbands, any legal authority, or my dog.

      Terrasola

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    22. I agree with the 3 on top of me.
      Esther Ruth, I have stood by many sick friends and loved ones, from drug abuse, to depression, to illnesses. The difference is, they KNEW they had a problem, or we basically prodded them into realizing it. We did not stand by and go, oh, yeah, that's cool you smoke pot. Same difference as what you are saying. The man is a sick, narcissistic, evil man who has a sexual addiction. If you care for him, you would want him to get help. If you have a family of your own, you need to RUN. Standing by him only makes him sicker. He needs tough love. And Jail.

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    23. And Terrasola, I sadly married one, who treated me like a queen until I was his possession. I know exactly what you mean!!!!!

      Did you know under comments if you go to NAME/URL, you can put your name, you don't need an url. It will work.
      I'm so glad you joined us, you're GREAT!

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    24. Warren Jeffs has had two psychological evaluations - both experts said he was competent to stand trial and simply depressed. He would not cooperate with the assessments the psychologists wanted to perform, so no other conclusions could be reached. He definitely meets criteria for narcissistic personality disorder - that is obvious. He also probably meets criteria for anti - social personality disorder in the same manual which you cite.

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    25. As for standing up for a pastor/priest/clergy going through strife, should they not be held to a higher standing, as they are working as a mouthpiece? Should that vessel not be purer than a mere layman?

      For example, the on-going crisis of Catholic Church. How can a priest say that he didn't know that "touching" little boys was wrong when he preaches against homosexuality, fornication and the like? He KNOWS he's wrong and he has not sought help nor resisted temptation, how can he expect better following from those he is supposed to be leading?

      Blind faith in one supreme being, maybe. Blind faith in fellow man? Never.

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    26. Esther Ruth, no, the world is not persecuting you for your religion - unless it is part of your religion to rape little girls and have group sex involving children. You cannot defend this loathsome man without having his filth rub off on you.

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