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Monday, June 10, 2013

--- Discussion Page 2 Polygamy, USA Episodes --- The Priesthood Council and God Has Spoken

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OK...what's the deal with that Stan Shepp fellow?

For some odd reason, the producers of Polygamy, USA chose not to fill the overbearing convert's background to viewers.

Face it, this guy set off EVERYBODY'S weirdo meter, so I let my fingers do the googling to find out what the deal is with this guy. This is what I found out.

Stan Shepp started out as a Catholic, living in Pennsylvania. He converted to Mormonism in 1989. In 1992 he got married to Tracey Roberts (also Mormon), who had 3 children from a previous marriage.  In 1993, she gave birth to another daughter, her only child with Shepp.

For some reason, Shepp became interested in Mormon Fundamentalism. When he started talking sister wives with wife Tracey, she said thanks but no thanks and left  him in April 2000. In February 2001, Tracey was granted a divorce. A month later, the LDS church excommunicated Shepp for his views on plural marriage.

Now here is where things get a bit...crazy.

Stan and Tracey shared custody of their young daughter. Stan wanted his young child to be a plural wife.  According to court records, his ex-wife testified that not only did Shepp's interest in polygamy break up their marriage, but that he planned on  preparing his pre-teen daughter to be married at age 13. A county judge prohibited Shepp from teaching his child about plural marriage at least until she reached the age of 18. The county judge's ruling was upheld by the state Superior Court.

In September 2006, the Pennsylvania  Supreme Court overturned the lower courts and  ruled in Shepp's favor. His discussion about religion was protected by the constitution and that the court did not find evidence that his discussing plural marriage would "constitute a grave threat of harm to the child."

Some other tidbits I found:

In court, Shepp's ex-wife claimed he also wanted to marry her daughters from a previous marriage. Shepp of course denied the allegations.

Shepp apparently considered himself an "adopted son" of polygamist Tom Green. You know, he was the polygamist sent to prison for welfare fraud and - hold on to your hats - marrying the underage daughters of his wives. Of course Shepp distanced himself from Green when he was convicted and sent to prison.

And now we have the recent ( February 2013) exchange between Shepp and Ezra Hammon on Ezra's Facebook page where Shepp attempted to slap down Ezra  because his dating Tiffany was "against the teachings of the community..." Ezra's reply was simple: "...we are taught that we have choice. And many people in the world don't think we do...I don't need someone that I attend meeting with to accuse me of my personal choices, especially when it has nothing to do with you."

I'm impressed...nice job by the grandson of the co-founder of Centennial Park to a measly convert!

I wonder if Polygamy, USA will address Stan Shepp's past since they made such an effort to introduce him last week.


I also found an article written by Charles T Cawley (on the Priesthood Council with  half-brother John W Timpson) that is simply eye-opening. What is most interesting is his reason why Centennial Park is reaching out to the public via a reality show on the National Geographic channel.

He explains their actions were necessary because  "Other television programs have aimed at more sensational (and often misrepresentative) aspects of life in plural marriage, at best a half-truth about the lifestyle..."

Hmmmm....now I wonder what other TV programs he could be referring to? Read the full article here: Why We’ve Opened Our Doors for Polygamy USA



And from the sublime of Polygamy, USA to the ridiculous. So what have the Browns been up to, lately? Ho hum....

Well, Aspyn and Mariah officially graduated from high school. Strange no tweets from Christine but at least Meri made sure she included her bonus child...when she wasn't proudly showing off Mariah!






Proud Mama reports all of Mariah's high school accomplishments...



So when asked if Mariah was going to medical school...oh heck, here's the conversation you can read for yourself!


Of course I just had to look up Westminster College...it is a 4 year liberal arts college in Salt Lake City. So she's going to Westminster college for 4 years then transferring to the University of Utah. I wonder if Mariah will be establishing Utah residency in those  years so she can qualify for in-state tuition. Just something that makes you go...hmmmmm.

So what did the proud papa have to say?

Gee Kody (and Papa Joe)...I suppose if you had something to HIDE you might be alarmed, but if the government wants to be bored by reading my emails or reviewing my phone calls, go for it! My tax dollars at work!

And will someone at TLC get Kody and Meri on that show that does makeovers? They are embarrassing...


Maybe if they dressed like z-listed stars, Robin Leach will write more than one sentence about them in the Las Vegas Sun, or at least pretend he knows them....

Here's what Mr Champagne Wishes and Caviar Dreams had to say about the less than dynamic duo:

"Oddest sight at The Tenors in The Smith Center on Sunday night: reality TV show polygamist Kody Brown, his four wives and one of his mothers-in-law."

OUCH!! Let's hope the mother-in-law he was referring to was a real mother-in-law and not Meri.

Read more: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/jun/03/strip-scribbles-2013-miss-usa-pageant-lv-chef-phil/#ixzz2VqyVLolr


Finally, we have Janelle tweeting out a commercial of all things for a local Vegas store. Nice job, too...


I haven't had time to read Robyn's newest TLC blog...I simply haven't the strength.

This is a free discussion area so discuss on!!!

edited on 6/10/13 at 10:51PM PST
Sources: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/13/us/13custody.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://lists.ucla.edu/pipermail/religionlaw/2006-September/022125.html
http://www.ydr.com/newsfull/ci_4416604

148 comments:

  1. Robyn's new blog is a real doozy!

    http://blogs.discovery.com/sister-wives/robyn-brown/

    She talks about working after she married Kody to support herself and help with the family's needs. Taking her six week maternity leave and being surprised that she was happy to go back to work after she had Sol.

    Well, We all know that is a huge lie! She did not work after she married Kody. If fact there was a whole episode about it in season 2

    A couple quotes from that episode:
    Kody "Its important that Robyn and Christine stay at home right now"
    Robyn "Right now my contribution is helping be a mom at home"
    Robyn "coming in the family and not working was a huge transition for me"

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    1. OK, I went over there and read it. And took a picture of it just in case it's pulled down...

      Good grief, she was working in Vegas and was on maternity leave for 6 weeks after giving birth to Solomon? She has GOT to be talking about working on the show!!

      I remember that when she lived in St George (I believe that's where she lived before moving to Lehi) BEFORE she married Kody, she did have a job. Going through the book I found this:

      Although I lived in my own house when I married Kody, I still became part of the Brown family in every way— I helped out with all the kids and contributed my paycheck to the family to help pay all the bills. This cooperative living was new for me; as a single working mom, it was usually up to me to make things work financially. Money was tight, but knowing that we had one another’s backs was wonderful.

      Brown, Kody; Brown, Meri (2012-05-01). Becoming Sister Wives (p. 198). Simon & Schuster, Inc.. Kindle Edition.

      Could this be what Robyn is talking about?

      In any event, if she had to work while they were in Lehi, then it sounds like they were more over extended than was being shown on the TV show...that even with Meri, Janelle and possibly Kody working they STILL couldn't make ends meet so Robyn had to work too??? And then they moved to Vegas? Are these people crazy?

      I hope they can afford those McMansions!

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    2. I always felt that Robyn was over inflating that "work" and paycheck - just working on the show. I bet her big job after Solomon was the jewelry. She does stretch her work.

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    3. she probably figures in her time spent "working" on their MLM (LiV) as well. which means emailing/calling prospects, i'm sure - woot.

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    4. are they still hawking that stuff and holding "opportunity" meetings in their new homes?

      i imagine Meri's lonelier than ever in that huge cavern of hers and she's soon to be the lone cavewoman in it once Mariah hightails it back to Utah. Caveman Kody will have many more emotional rants/demands put on him from her once that reality happens. gawd - this religious polygamy sucks for all!

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    5. Does whoever write these blogs even watch the show? Everyone who watched the show remembers how Robyn never found a job after she moved to Lehi. No one remembers who have a real job in Vegas either. There were about ten comments saying that on the comment section as well. Good grief. Although I cannot wait for the bog on her snarking on this!

      Also, congrats to the 2 Brown girls for graduating! I hope they both fly back to Utah, meet monogamous friends and boyfriends, and don't look back.

      I am betting that within the year Meri will be back in Utah as well. I always thought she was just waiting for Mariah to graduate to leave Kody, and with being alone in her isolated mansion right next to the women she can't stand, I don't give her much longer.

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    6. I believe Robyn was talking about how she worked before she moved to Lehi (before engagement) and then when she moved to Lehi she was no longer working. We all know that the Brown adults don't work anymore.

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    7. Freya, no way is Meri going to abandon ship now - she's not going to leave behind her flashy mansion,super-amazing wet bar, and all the money that's rolling in!

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    8. meri will never leave cody!!!!!

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  2. YUCK, YUCK, YUCK. That guy gave me the creeps last week on the show but now, UGH. Good for his ex-wife fighting to protect all her daughters from him and his sick ideas. So I am guessing the women that we saw him with are new wives since he moved to CP? Those poor kids he is now creating with these new women. They don't stand a chance :(

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    1. So I am guessing the women that we saw him with are new wives since he moved to CP?
      Yes, I believe so. I'm hoping his new wives keep having boys, I mean remember how Lydia reacted from her years of indoctrination? Imagine what this guy's daughters will be like! Holy moly!

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  3. I wish I could say I'm surprised by the revelations about Shepp, but that guy set my creep-o-meter off from the get go. I'm so proud of the girl's mom fighting him to protect her children from his sick machinations. I just wish the court ruling hadn't been overturned. I'm not surprised at him trying to school Ezra, usually converts are full of zeal and committed to showing how strongly they adhere to their new faith. Very by the book, I guess you would say, and rather legalistic. I like how Ezra basically gave him the verbal smack down, and stressed the reason for showing the public that they aren't forced and have free will. Even if I really don't agree with him 100%, the enemy of my enemy is my friend in this circumstance, so I'm not going to nitpick.

    Aspyn looked so pretty in the picture above, and Mariah looks so happy. I remember when I graduated....I was going to set the world on fire and OWN it. I hope they really do live out their dreams,and that the world is kind to them. When you're young, so many things seem and are possible. *sighs*

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    1. Snap, I just got a notification of a twat from Kody. Basically, he said they graduated and good luck in the world. How....sensitive.:rolling eyes hard:

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    2. Did you see how happy both girls looked in the photos on Twitter? I bet they cannot wait to get out of dodge! I hope that once they are away from their family situations they start to shine and form healthy relationships.

      I wonder if they got handed nice sports cars like their older brother did for graduating?

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  4. Aspyn is absolutely GORGEOUS!

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  5. Robyn's blog is ridiculous. Seriously, she had a 6 week maternity leave? And went 'back to work'? Where? Filming a reality show is not 'going back to work' like most of us moms have done. And designing the iconic jewelry, seriously that is a full time job? I find it very hard to believe she had a mere 6 weeks off and then 'went back to work'. The Browns have become seriously delusional. They constantly contradict themselves. Do they think we (the fans that keep them semi employed) don't pay attention? I, as a viewer, would like the Browns to be more transparent and honest about their 'reality'.

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    1. The blog showed up on my FB page and now it is gone. I found it after searching a bit on the web. What surprised me were the comments...ALL negative without the usual Brown groupie nonsense. I think even their fans are starting to get bored. The fact that it is taking so long to air this season may be the final nail in the coffin.

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    2. I have finally gone and read this blog. I seriously was laughing out loud. It is so documented that she didn't work in Lehi nor in Las Vegas. They need a new ghost writer.
      I also have to assume that Robyn felt it best to stay home- at the loss of even a crib for the babies she was having?

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  6. When I read the article from Charles Cawley awhile back, I was laughing thinking, why doesn't he just say "Sister Wives" show?
    I believe he is the father of creepy Michael, isn't he?

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  7. Congratulations to the Brown graduates!! I wish them both a happy life wherever their paths lead them.
    This new show seems very interesting. I only get to read updates here as it isn't on here in Oz. Thanks for all the fantastic reporting!!! :-)

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  8. ObSeussed Blue FishJune 10, 2013 at 11:50 PM

    congratulations to the Brown daughters!

    I am confused of why Mariah doesn't Just start off at the U. The Westminster costs more per year then non residential at the U. Transferring credits is sometimes a bit of a hassle. If she is planning to go to Medical School the U is a very good choice.

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    1. I did some research, and I found out that Westminister is a four year college. "Westminster offers 34 undergraduate majors conferring BA and BS degrees (not including pre-med, pre-law, and pre-dental programs). In addition to a number of post-baccalaureate certificate programs in various fields, Westminster also offers 12 graduate degrees."

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_College_(Utah)

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    2. Thanks for the clarification anonymous 1:15! My bad!

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    3. I think U of Utah can be hard to get into, so she'll have the opportunity at Westminster to get her grades in shape for transfer. I wonder who's paying the tab.

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    4. I think she is a high honor student and in the honor society. She would get into U. of Utah no problem.

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  9. That Shepp guy is just simply vile.

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  10. I went to Northern Arizona University in the late 1970's for my Freshman year of college. There was a large population of Mormon students at the time and the primary goal of the young Mormon women was marriage. Many were married before their Freshman year was finished and I was shocked that they came to a University to look for spouses and not an education. Maybe times have changed in all these years and Mormon girls are now looking to get that degree before marriage. I wonder how long it will take before Mariah finds a Mormon boy to marry while going to college in Utah. It's just my gut feeling but I don't think very many of the Sister Wives children will choose polygamy after living in Las Vegas and going to public schools, but I think most will choose Mormon spouses.

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    1. I was at ASU in the early 1970's...it was the same there. I worked with 2 Mormon girls who had been accepted at BYU...their goal was not to get a degree but to get married. Recently I was watching BYU-TV and they had a commercial geared towards women who didn't finish their degree program because they got married inviting them to return to BYU and finish their degree. So it does look like times have changed.

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    2. We used to call that "going to college for your 'Mrs' degree."

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    3. This idea is just so foreign to me. I was taught to go to college to always be able to be independent. Quite sure if i had been told young to go look for a husband to care for me that I would not have felt capable of being independent. That is sad for these girls.

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    4. I live in Arizona. My sister went to Northern Arizona University. She isn't Mormon (we were raised Lutheran) but she went to college for her "Mrs" degree. She accomplished it after three years, marrying a man who was becoming an Air Force pilot. They've been married for 26 years.

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  11. I expect that Mariah will live with extended family in Utah while going to Westminster College. Being in Utah also means that she will be able to attend AUB meetings and functions, and find someone in the polygamous culture to marry, sadly. Btw the name "Stan Shepp" is very familiar to me. I think he was hanging around AUB for a while. Will have to ask around and see what people I know remember about him.

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    1. I agree that Mariah will be attending AUB services in Utah and likely marry within a few years. One of Mariah’s (and some of the mom’s) concerns was that they would not have a ‘community’ of like-minded believers when they moved from Lehi. They don’t seem to have found an AUB congregation to be a part of in Las Vegas and where else are these girls going to meet eligible AUB men? Mariah has stated she wants to practice plural marriage so I would think Utah is the most logical choice for her at this point. I predict she will be married by the end of her sophomore year and will be a first wife. I wonder if Kody ever really regrets the move, knowing that his kids are less likely to adopt plural marriage for themselves since they aren’t living in a community where it is embraced and practiced

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    2. As far as Mariah, she has always been clear in her desire to return to Utah, so good for her that she can do it! Didn't she even intend to live in the old homestead?

      Whether or not she becomes a Dr remains to be seen, tho there are many available options in the health care field.

      And BTW, love, love, love Polygamy USA and hoping it will return for another season.

      Still not seeing Arthur as a protagonist as some others have mentioned. I would call him the lesser of two evils.

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  12. ObSeussed Blue FishJune 11, 2013 at 11:15 AM

    In the Mainstream LDS community, many people jokingly say, Girls go to BYU to earn their RM (Returned Missionary).

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    1. protestant Christians make the same kind of joke about Bible College...girls go to get their MRS degree...

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  13. The Stan Shepp story is disturbing and I wonder why the producers decided to show this guy at all? It was an awkward, ‘forced’ reality- show dinner, I didn’t buy that they would have hung out at all naturally. So why include a guy with an extremely offensive (and easy to google) background? It seems that the ‘regulars’ are good enough, why introduce the creepy convert? In fact, I think it’s kind of short sighted of the show’s producers to not ask all cast members to hold off on facebook/twitter ‘announcements’ so that there is some suspense for the viewers. I suspect that we won’t see much more of Shady Shepp now that it’s public that he wanted to marry his step daughters. Too much like WJ for my tastes.
    I really like Polygamy USA. Anyone have any idea how it does in the ratings and if it’s likely to be picked up for another season?

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    1. Pervy Shepp is drawn to Centennial Park and Centennial Park welcomes him in. The law of attaction in action.

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  14. I have to say that the whole Rose-Marie line of story makes me sad. The girl is 18 and spends all her time watching her siblings and praying for a name of some man to marry. Now she is going to turn her self in to the brethren , because heaven help us, she hasn't found a name.
    Why not go to college? One of the moms told her she received Michels name but waited till she finished college.Why not get a job and a life. For as much as the people of CP say they are not like the others group in someways they are. They might not do underage marriages but is 18 really old enough?

    Also Rose- Marie needs to get a makeover, the eyebrows on that girl.... shudder.The Thompsons, they wear make up and have nice hair styles.... they need to give Rose-marie some advice.

    Kellie looks younger than 18 and acts about 14. The whole get married and then get to know each other? So not right. I thought it was telling when one of Michael's wives said something along the lines of it's not about love. How can you marry someone you don't know and have kids with them and commit to them if you do not love them?

    Tiffany needs to wake up and smell the POLYGAMY. Sweetie the girls of CP have been brainwashed since infancy to accept without complaint this life style and even they have normal feelings of jealousy . Girl, how the heck do you think you will cope? You've been raised in the real world where we get to know the guy fall in love and stay together just the 2 of you.Ezra might break the rules a bit by dating an outsider but he's a polygamist thru and thru. You marry him and you'll be having sister-wives whether you want them or not.

    Thisshow is alot more informative about the lifestyle than Sisterwives, but the Browns do have that car-wreck quality that makes you want o kick their butts.

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    1. Yes to everything you just said! Why can't Rose Marie go to college or training to get a job for when she's married? She would totally qualify for grants and financial aid with all the kids in her bio parents have, and we know they aren't opposed to accepting government aid? We know the women in these families are expected to work too and have lots of babies to take care of. I have the feeling she wants to get married so badly to get out of that household. I can just hear wife number 2, Connie, complaining about a grown daughter in the house taking up food and space when she has to go back to work, not realizing how much help Rose is. Oy, this is what is wrong with not only polygamy, but so many parents who don't encourage their kids and push them in the wrong directions.

      Kellie looks like she is 13 and Hyrum looks irritated by her. When the ten year special is done on her and there are 2 or 3 new wives and a dozen kids between them all, bet she looks like she is in her forties (like the third Cawley wife). Speaking of which, the third Cawley wife is around my age and looks like she is 20 years older. I feel the worst for her, she has 2 nasty sister wives ahead of her, a dud of a husband who is so cheap he won't buy decent water for the family, and can't even go into the kitchen to get food because that is micromanaged so people can't eat off schedule. I don't know how these women do it.

      I don't think Ezra and Tiffany will get married, but if they do they will either get divorced at the first mention of a second wife or they will leave the community.

      Wow, after writing all this I have to at least give credit to the Brown's for sending their sons and daughters off to college for a fair chance at life, not locking up the kitchen, and for providing decent drinking water.

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  15. I think Rose-Marie looks like Liv Tyler...a very interesting face.

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  16. Kody: It's ****OUR**** phone records!! Not ****are****.

    oh and btw, I concur with CJ, if the gov't wants my boring ass emails and texts, go for it. :)

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    1. DJ, I had to laugh when I saw this comment. I knew this gal that used to write hateful emails to her in laws, friends of mine, acting like her husband. (Their son)

      However, she always used the word "set" when the proper word was "sit" ex.
      "You need to set your ass far away from us at the meeting!"
      And to top it off, she was a teacher!
      Her bad grammer always gave it away it wasn't their son writing the emails.

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    2. Although I hate to admit I have anything in common with the Kodester, I agree with him on this one. I don't have anything to hide, but the government doesn't need all my personal e-mails and texts.

      I think I need a drink now, I actually agreed with Kody on something and complimented the family on sending their boys and girls to college equally.

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  17. "@TheDargerFamily: Is it just us or is anyone else alarmed by government intrusions on our press, our email, and now are phone records?"

    (re-twit by Cody Brown)

    We can disagree about religion, and political preferences, but welcome public discussion re. privacy. I know some share each detail of their lives on FB-- I on the other hand, keep private the names of my FB "friends".

    A persons sense of privacy is unique to them, and not necessarily indicative of wrong doing.

    Even more important is the sheer quantity of everything comprising this crunch of metadata. NSA says they crunch all, but do not read all. No problem, these files outlast you. What have you inadvertently said about a friend or family member ... an innocent remark, but out of context.

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    1. And THAT's why you should never put anything in writing you wouldn't want the head of the FBI to read because he just might be reading it.

      This is a lesson we all learned a long time ago as children, Anon 9:18. I will never understand why someone puts everything about themselves on Facebook or twitters none stop about nothing or emails their peers at work about how dumb their boss is and then get all self righteous and upset when what they said costs them their job or causes embarrassment.

      If you don't want to take responsibility for what you write or say, don't hit the enter button. don't say it unless you mean it!

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    2. My husband has that job where he leaves for a year at a time every so often and can't leave a mailing address. I admit to sending naughty emails. I am not so ashamed about it since I think it's healthy for my marriage, but I can understand how someone would be mortified that the gov't has access to it. I agree with CJ. If you don't want anyone to see it, don't post or send it. Besides, once you hit send, you no longer legally own the information.

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  18. In tonight's episode, Michael pullsout a self portrait he made at 18. He wants 7 wives.
    "Righteous Royal Seed" that term about did me in.

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    1. So this guy....self admitted that he cannot make enough money to provide for his large family, YET he needs to build a bigger home so that he can have more wives and more children.

      THERE YOU GO...that is why it should not be legalized, de-criminalized or whatever.

      They are given an inch AND THEY TAKE a mile.

      I am sure there is some sort of sumthin' goin' on there!

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    2. Righteous Royal Seed - three words I never want to hear again. ICK.

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  19. Another comment on the previous episode. The ending sequence of Michael and son fetching water just struck me as fake. Stupid.

    *shakes head*

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  20. So I decided to just sit at my computer while its on.....and throw some lines out there.

    Hyrum...what a strange question to Kellie from a Polygamist "Do you want any children"....REALLY

    Ezra...why do I have this feeling that your dad has Tiffany close by to make sure you come back.

    Kellie... you're not fooling me, you knew EXACTLY who you wanted 2 years ago and you kept tabs on that
    "Kissing Hyrum" guy. Hey, why don't we just throw Rose-Marie into the family...she needs a man.

    Can I also add...some of these families live in some pretty amazing homes...you can't tell me they are struggling and feel that they should have the same as the rest of the world yet they are denied because they are Polygamist.

    Honestly, this is for sure a much better "show" of the Polygamist lifestyle that we all expect. Living TOGETHER and showing how they function as a large family. I tell you though, the money they are receiving is going to change them also, tension and greediness will cause some real personal issues. They need to leave these shows as Documentaries instead of series.



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    1. When he asked that I figured what he meant was, "can we please have sex, like now." I imagine Kellie giggling nervously too much to actually go through with fornication so soon, just a feeling I get.

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    2. That is code for, "Can I climb on top of you and have my way." These folks don't use any form of birth control, and theoretically, sex is for procreation. Similarly, Kody wanting Meri to have a baby-He was asking her for a roll between the sheets. He did snip that it was what "God" wanted, when she hesitated.

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    3. Yeah- I see that rule broken all the time.

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    4. Anony 1:48 a.m. - i don't think you mean the word "fornication" as they are married. perhaps "consummation" is what you meant to say? but yeah, i agree - i don't think they've even had sex yet in listening and understanding their conversation fully.

      and LORD - girl! STOP that giggle after EVERYTHING Hyrum says and MOST of EVERYTHING you say as well!! how long could someone possibly endure that on a daily basis the rest of their life?? I could for two days straight and then would yell, DAMN - MUST you really do that and how can i help you break that annoying senseless habit because that is NOT working for me at all!! but then Hyrum's about as immature as she is, too, so ... oh well.

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  21. If the story about Becca and Hyrum is true, that explains alot. Wonder how much of that story Kellie knew. Now I see Marlene's question to her during the pedicures in a totally different light. "Just HOW WELL do you know Hyrum?" LOL! Translation: "Do you know my sister wive over here got it on with him?"

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  22. Just watching the new ep which is starting right now. I watched last week's again, thinking that I don't remember any time I watched any SW ep more than maybe twice. The only reason I watched SW last season was to more fully enjoy CJ's posts.

    This show is quite good, and way more compelling than SW! I will definitely tune in next season if they choose to have a next season.

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  23. at the risk of possibly offending some of my fellow commenters and readers, I just have to say this:

    Michael is a fucking idiot with those containers.

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    1. I was laughing at the containers.....kind of like a low end version of the double wide trailer in the back lot.

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    2. ITA. At the end when Rose finally said "these will work out great" I swear she said it as a 'joke' and in part to annoy Connie who seemed so disgusted. I think Rose even kind of smiled at the camera like she knew it was crap but she knew that was what Michael expected to hear. Maybe Rose has some spunk in her after all.

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    3. Who will love in those boxes? No windows, heat, water? Is that not against code? Wouldn't it be appropriate for social services to come after them? I can't believe that they will actually live on those things!

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    4. Had to laugh. I was just telling CJ that I have heard stories of someone I knew in a small community doing just that! It was a mess, hot inferno in the summer, frozen in the winter. I say, add mobile homes.

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    5. Actually folks.... The use of containers as additional living space is a rapidly growing green architectural practice. If you google it you will see a lot of different designs and uses. I live in our nations capital and some businesses have adopted them for a variety of different uses. The National's baseball team even has a couple right outside of Nats Stadium that they use for pre-game entertainment before every game. I have a feeling The shows producers or film crew proposed this idea to Papa Cawley. HOWEVER, I do think they need to paint the containers so they might be at least a little aesthetically pleasing...

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    6. I got claustrophobic just looking at the containers. This is what their life is - having children and containerizing them....This just gives me the creeps.

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    7. I googled shipping container homes and some really interesting stuff came up. I'm not saying they will do this in CP, but the potential for comfortable container living is there. Who knew?! Lol.

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    8. well, he did mention putting in some windows, doors and carpet so, we'll see ... and it's hotter than hell in st. george desert for at least 3 months of the year so, they would need to be air conditioned to be comfortable. and it also does get cold in the winters there, too. but yeah, i think some neighbors were worrying about them (like one of the wives said) because it does give that whole FLDS compound look to their community.

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    9. Michael strikes me as a cheapass to begin with - clearly, it's not important to him that his offspring and spouses are comfortable in this life because after all they'll have eternity with him on their celestial planet right? (ugh - the thought of spending eternity with him...just bites)

      I rather doubt that the show's producers put the container idea into Michael's pea brain. He seemed rather pleased with himself. I think it was probably him and the bretheren. My guess is it's going to be rather bare bones. an 8x10 foot bedroom? even with a window and carpet, that's like a freaking prison cell. "just to sleep and be alone" for all those little offspring of his that haven't arrived yet.

      (who would want to sleep with him?? not me...but then again the only guy in this whole show I'd want to give a tumble to is Hyrum anyways...overall the CP population we've seen isn't exactly an attractive bunch IMO.)

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    10. We actually have one of these container houses about a mile from my house, everyone in the neighborhood had an opinion on it. Its been up for sale for about 9 months now. Just search on line for Container house in Tucson.
      Its been dressed up but it is still ugly.

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    11. ObSeussed Blue FishJune 12, 2013 at 1:02 PM

      creepy crawley, it looks like a bad Idea. You sleep in shipping container! don't make your children. Even with windows and carpet its a bad idea. you better add AC. In utah the summers are hot with almost no humidity and winters are very cold. If its such a good idea creepy..... make a bedroom for each of your wives and maybe one for you... it could be a "rotation" bedroom like Isaiah has.

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    12. Did all of Michael's wife's "turn themselves in," is that how they got paired with that dud? I suspect that the women/girls who are honest that they do not get inspiration are paired up with the men no one wants.

      The containers are lazy and cheap. I can think of several alternatives, like an earth ship (google it if you don't know what that is.) Appalled that his family is so over extended, yet their religion dictates many more children. He will be getting his bonus wives, I am sure, as He is so confident about it. Could be the perks of lineage, or a reward for being filmed for the show.

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  24. Does anyone else find Becca’s constant inappropriate sexual innuendos to be over the top, even for a reality show? That whole scene where Becca and Marlene cook dinner (clearly the producers pay for their dinners, no way are these people eating steak, sushi and wine every night for dinner) and play cards was just really awkward to watch. She does that with Isaiah which I get because he is her husband (but still think it’s inappropriate due to her sister wife being right there) but to do it with Marlene is super icky. I don’t know if the producers suggested the whole ‘whoever wins takes the other wife on a date’ thing or if they were drunk but the whole scene was odd. Becca has an issue of some sort, she just doesn’t act quite right. There is something off about her.

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    1. wonder how Michael's wives feel knowing they can't get their damn applesauce from Papa Cawley but these ladies enjoy wine and sushi on a constant basis!!

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    2. Isaiah has a much smaller family to support AND I bet he makes more than Creepy Cawley, based on the educators I know.

      also, if one is making their own sushi, it's not nearly as expensive as buying it at a restaurant, they can use seafood that is cheaper/easily available. I doubt that they're using blowfish or ahi tuna...and for all we know most of the wine they consume is Two Buck Chuck from Trader Joe's.

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    3. OK, I just had to add in here. I made my husband watch this show (ok, I make him watch it every week) and even he got the willies from this scene. He turned to me and asked me "what do they do when their husband is gone so much"? His innuendo was that they enjoy each others company way too much. All I could hear in my head was Meri saying "I think they do WIERD!" It was very strange, indeed.

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    4. DJ - yeah, maybe so maybe not on your maybe's. nonetheless, it still makes me wonder how Crawley's wives feel watching them on TV. they're night and day from them. I can imagine these two wives might pride themselves on being known as the "hot wives of Isaiah's" in the small community. they seem to be unique in their "modern" hair, dress and make-up over any of the other women and teen girls we're shown. It didn't even look like Kellie wore any makeup at all for her wedding day. She did have her hair done tho.

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    5. From what I've read, a lot of the wives in Centennial Park do wear makeup and stylish clothes. Perhaps the reason we didn't see them was simply because they didn't want to be filmed. The Cawley wives do not live in a vacuum and probably accept the Thomson wives as just folks who dress differently and like sushi.

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    6. Oh yeah the Isaiah fam are like the upper-middle class yuppies of CP (or at least on this show). They have a reasonable number of kids, and I'm sure if he's spending so much time working away from home he's making a goodly sum doing so. Neither one of the wives look pregnant right now. I think they space their kids out as opposed to the Cauley fam, Michael apparently believes that he's supposed to sire as many offspring as possible...with no thought for their future - all 3 wives PG at the same time, that's INSANE.

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    7. Oh Yeah! I think Becca would have a sexual relationship with Marleen if she thought for a second Marleen would go for it. Not that Becca is a lesbian (I have no idea) I just think Becca is bored and misses the sex and sense of adventure while her husband is gone so long. A girl in CP has to be pretty adventurous to have any sort of physical relationship before marriage. And if that story about Becca and Hyrum is true, (and Hyrum has told us he "kissed" other girls), then Becca is not your run of the mill brainwashed plyg.

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    8. Anony 11:49 pm. - hmm ... interesting. That makes me curious about Amanda Darger then as she used to dress fashionably and wear make-up and cute hair as do her 3 moms. But since she married into the CP group, she's definitely along the lines of the other young girls we've seen in that regard now. I would think if it's really acceptable and "a lot of the wives" dress like the two "hot wives" then Amanda wouldn't have changed a thing how she was already used to dressing before joining that community. I still have a strong suspicion those two are the exception by far. Does anyone know for sure instead of just hearsay?

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    9. I know for sure they are the exception. Make up, modern hairstyles and tight clothes are less of a sin than they used to be, but they are by no means encouraged or warmly accepted by the older generation.

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  25. i became a fan of "bitchy 2nd wife" just based on her constant snarky faces at him and the other two wives when they kept making positive comments about the containers. LOL

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  26. uncle art and momma came across as so inept and antagonistic in their "talk" w/ezra. geesh - talk about setting the kid up for failure! momma accuses him of not loving her now cause he wants to take a good paying job out of state to get his freaking 10 grand to get married as directed by The "BROTHEREN"!! and art puts him in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation w/his lecture as well. How about some love and encouragement and some best wishes blessings and "we'll pray for your safety and happy homecoming." ??? yeah, ezra's not the sharpest knife in the drawer but his parents aren't either really. art's just an old school patriarchal dinosaur - a product of his very "small world" lifelong religious environment.

    and art's pretty mean to rub it in to Ezra that he doubts Tiffany will still be waiting for him when he gets back. HAH! - what a negative and pessimistic old fart he is! no wonder he gets on ezra's one last nerve. and good for Ezra for telling art that no - he's not just automatically handing over his money to him for safekeeping. that annoys the hell out of Arthur if and when Ezra does actually act like an adult towards him. All they did was lecture to ezra but gave him NO practical spelled out budget/savings how-to's. If they know the kid's clueless, go beyond harping that he is and give him some help and useful solutions instead of just harsh criticism and annoying questions ad nauseam.

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  27. Off topic: the Darger family just announced on facebook that one of them is expecting. Gasp!

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    1. Drat!! I couldn't find their page. I'd be willing to bet it's Amanda, Val's daughter. On PUSA a clip was shown that included her and "Ralphie" and she was clearly expecting. On the other hand, maybe it's one of the trio? They're still of child bearing age, but who knows? Did they actually say it was one of the wives or just that one of the family was expecting? Wait a minute. The PUSA show was taped like a year ago, so now I'm puzzled.

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  28. Oh my gosh! Just read Robyns Blog... LOL work?? I see her sitting at the table in her house in front of a lap top with a piece of paper in front of it. LOL... sweetheart turn the lap top on, you do not have to just hold pen and paper in front of it. Working? Where does this woman work? Selling a couple pieces of sterling silver jooerwy? Oh my! I had a online business to earn extra money on the side of my real go to work job and it was just for fun. 6 week maternity leave? Leave means not going out of the house to work. She doesnt go out of the house now to work! Lawdy these people need to have to do some hard sweat and tears work for a change. I guess in their celestial world they just ride on unicorns and ponies and wait for the money to roll in. Or maybe Sheerah! (Ms. Sullivans alternative personality) works running around in her victorias secrets panties saving married men from boredom in the bedroom. Maybe it is a LOT of work PRETENDING. Seriously, she could benefit from some therapy to determine why she has alternative or multiple personalities. That is some scary stuff. I bought the book and wanted to cut out the chapters on Sheerah/Robyn. It just made the book so much less credible. It was more interesting reading about the ladies who have been with Kody for so many years and their struggles throughout those years of their lives together. When I read her entries I could not help but cringe and hope she gets some medical attention and possible medications. Really, not making fun of her, I have worked with the mentally ill and she could benefit from treatment. I hope her children dont have to resort to multiple personalities to get through the day of being married to a man 1/4th of the time.

    CP is just creepy and I am glad it is on tv so Americans can see the crap that goes on behind the closed gates of Abuse Park oops I mean Centennial Park. There is more abuse there of women and children then meets the eye. What girl is raised up thinking she needs to get married the minute she turns 18 to a stranger? At least they are waiting til they are 18 now... I hope. Oh my the clips I have seen turn my stomach. The men have zero choice also until the old nasty creeps decide to let them grow up? So sick. I am glad it is on tv so some things can hopefully change and some investigations are opened. Serious yucky stuff!

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    1. I think you have a valid point about Robyn possibly having a dual personality issue. Maybe the She-rah stuff is just really some sort of mental illness. (I am not saying this to be nasty or uncaring!). She says in the book she created this alter ego in order to survive her divorce. But I wonder if this is something more serious? I get that she is trying to bring some money in for the Browns but she cannot claim to have take a 6 week maternity leave and went back to 'work' because we all know it is not true. Is she mentally ill? Or lying?

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    2. I agree I would love for someone to create a page on here to talk about only sobbin robin. she is totally ridiculous!!!!

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  29. I think Papa Cawley and Sobbin' Robyn should get together and design some awesome stick figure plyg jewelry! it'd be AWESOME!! according to them anyway. i was laughing but in a sad way that he's so proud of that childish "drawring" he did at 18 YEARS OLD and is still holding onto the precious thing for 25 years now. AND proudly displaying it publicly in order to market once again the awesomeness of plyghood to the world. omg! and who's been taking bites out of it?? lol

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  30. i thought of how that seems like it would be a stab to Rose Marie's self-worth and/or self-esteem that she's been praying fervently for two years for a name for a husband but finally gave up on hearing from God and so "turned herself in." So now, God will speak the answer to the "more worthy" MEN in charge?? hmm... god doesn't think much of women and their own sincere prayers then.

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    1. It is sad that these young girls:

      They do not go to church until they are 8 which I find strange.

      They are indoctrinated before baptism by memorizing many lines...the most disturbing to me was when the little girl was reading one that said something to the effect that they believe that PARTS of the bible to be truly coming from God. (As if some were not- here we go, cafeteria religion..)

      They are told God will speak to them in 8 short years. God is to speak to them? Where in the bible does it tell us that? How crushing it must be to all these young girls that sincerely believe this, and it is quiet? Would they not have to make something up, that they heard "John Smith" was their man, or be in the plight of poor Rose Marie, and give herself up... which may lead as she said to an older man.
      Rose Marie is taking this serious and very sincere, and I feel for her. So many must have such a low self esteem of themselves if they do not receive this revelation.

      But to be honest... I think I would suddenly have a "revelation" of the cutest young man around before giving myself up to the council myself!

      I have been looking into the genealogy of the group. Does anyone know how close they allow families to marry? Can they marry their first cousins?
      I think that is still legal in Mississippi!

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    2. Marrying first cousins is legal in many states including Mass: http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/human-services/state-laws-regarding-marriages-between-first-cousi.aspx

      If I remember from biology class, 1st cousins are necessarily a big deal genetically, of course I don't remember if we ever looked at multi-generation marrying 1st cousins.

      If their community is small, it wouldn't take many generations before they are all very related, would it?

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    3. Not legal to marry first cousins in Utah, but that doesn't stop the polygamists - not even Kody Brown's beloved AUB.

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  31. Did they say who would be sleeping in the shipping containers?

    I've seen some attractive shipping container houses but it has to be expensive to make them nice. Since Mike can't even afford applesauce, he won't be able to make his nice.

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    1. I believe CP Mike said he wants the older children sleeping in the containers.

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  32. Did you guys catch the conversation that Rose-Marie had with her mother about how her father told her that she could not say "no" to the name that the Bretheren give her, because it would be like saying "no" to God. Her mother was more concerned about it feeling right to her since she is the one who would have to marry the person, but her father is just like you must do what they tell you. Speaking of Michael Cawley, um he drew that picture of the stick figures when he was 18? It looked like it was drawn by a five year old. Oh great you want more wives and double the children you have now that you can not financially support, sounds like a great plan.

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  33. Anyone know what Cabral Edwards MGMT (the link on Robyn's last tweet) has to do with the Browns? The link seems pretty high end for them.

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  34. A few questions..

    As far as the Browns, Dargers, or CP folks, if sex if for procreation, does it stop after the women can't have kids anymore?

    And I wonder if there are any cases of pregnancy outside of marriage in CP and what happens to them in that case?

    Do the boys ever get kicked out of CP like you hear about in Colorado City? So far I haven't seen any disciplinary actions for misdoings in CP, maybe they're all perfect, LOL?

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    1. A lot of the groups do believe that once a woman cannot have children, that sexual relations should stop. In AUB it's called "the law of chastity" and was taught by Joseph Musser, one of the early leaders. Imagine how that makes the older women feel, especially their husbands keep right on collecting young "wives." Talk about feeling worthless.

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    2. Why kick the boys out of town when the brethren can get years of free labor out of them?

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    3. Missionary boys' next project: Creepy Cawley Crate Condos.

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    4. I bet you're right! Creepy Cawley doesn't look like a Mr. DIY. The wives? Probably.

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  35. From their twitter, It seems Mariah is going to Europe but Aspyn is not. I wonder what is up with that? Maybe Meri demands the same budget that the other wives are living off from. Therefore she can afford to send Mariah and Christine can not due to have 5 more mouths to feed.

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    1. Um...yeah. It's her 'compensation' for the children she wanted to have but couldn't. Just like the big house - doesn't need it, but in her mind she would have if she had had the children she wanted so she feel it is unfair to deny it to her because of her infertility. Dysfunction Station.

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  36. I really like Rose Marie. She is really sweet and I think would actually be quite beautiful with an updated makeover. I feel like part of her brain is telling her things aren't quite right, but yet she is indoctrinated and and fiercely devoted to her religion/family/culture. Although it was refreshing to hear that her mother wants the final decision about marriage should rightfully be Rose Marie's her advice was still passive aggressive. This poor girl can't win. It's a crap shoot if she gets married and if she stays with her family she'll be the first packed into those god awful containers in the back yard. No wonder she was in a hurry to turn herself in. Either way her life sucks.

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  37. I also predict a wave of converts for CP in the next year. We all have seen those poor women on Facebook who offer to be Kody's fifth wife. The influx of men will be perverts and all the women will be poor souls who think they will someone get some kind of security in the husband/family combo (like Margene on Big Love.) Should get interesting!

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  38. Changing the subject somewhat, Meri and the rest of the Brown clowns may be breaking the law with their not so subtle ads for various businesses. Evidently the FTC finds such advertising dishonest unless it discloses that the person tweeting is being reimbursed for it. There's a whole article on the subject, here
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/disruptions-celebrities-product-plugs-social-150036994.html

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    1. Just an FYI

      Save yourself some keystrokes. You don't have to say "Changing the subject..." since this is a free discussion posting (within SWB guidelines of course)

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  39. I just watched the "applesauce" episode. If you look at the food list on the wall you see that half of the list says "storehouse" which is where they shopped first - which is free to members.

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  40. I am going to miss this show. I hope they renew it. Going back to Sisterwives from this will be like going from a Mercedes to one of those little clown cars. BTW This is Modest is not hottest. I decided I needed a name change

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    1. HA! I LOVE Adaleen! How perfect for your new name!

      Now SHE was an alpha wife (who climbed over the backs of her sisterwives to reach that position)!

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    2. Haha I love adaleen!! She was such a weirdo but she and Lois were definetely my favs. I miss that show ):

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  41. Does anyone else think that Becca's innuendo and flirtation might be because she is bisexual or curious about her sexuality? She comes across as quite attracted to Marlene, imo, and I could easily see the three of them being happier as a family with one bedroom for all three parents. I don't know how Marlene would feel about it, but Becca and Isaiah would probably be quite happy that way. Of course, I think their religion doesn't allow that, so Becca may just have to remain curious and/or frustrated.

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    1. Does anyone else think that Becca's innuendo and flirtation might be because she is bisexual or curious about her sexuality?
      I'm just not getting that vibe from her. I think she wants to be the #1 alpha wife and the way to go about it is to be the #1 wife in bed, perfect homemaker, the perfect stay at home mother. But she needs to start having more babies (which I think she's reluctant to do because her figure will be ruined)!

      There's no way an alpha wife wannabe is going to allow the distraction of another wife in the bedroom. It would defeat her purpose, and most important, Isaiah would never allow it!

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    2. i'm in the camp that Kody's a closeted gay and Meri's bi but yeah - i don't get a lesbian vibe whatsoever between these two women. just friendly passive/aggressive female competition for their same man they share. ya know - completely "normal" jealousy. HAH!

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    3. Don't think Kody is gay just metrosexual from watching too many reality tv shows! Reminds me of what's-her-name...the one with twins and then had six more. With the funny hair cut (hey Kody has one too).

      But Becca...naw, she's just young and hipper than the norm in that town. Marlene too but not as young.

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  42. Interesting! I have only seen the clips and the original Lisa Ling show (on youtube a few months back.) I can see I am missing some pretty valuable insight into their relationships by now seeing the whole show. Thanks!

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  43. There are so many rules in the polygamist community portrayed on both shows, SW and Polygamy USA. But they seem to be able to pick and choose the rules as they go, fitting each rule into its situation...which really makes them not "rules" at all. To an outsider looking in, wanting to come away with some understanding of polygamy and its supposed benefits, it's just one big WTF?!?

    The only consistent thing about these families is that the vast majority of the women seem miserable and beaten down, while the vast majority of the men appear as if they are the epitome of the cat that ate the canary (or in this case, "canaries").

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  44. Anyone notice how they keep showing the platforms that the Hipster Wives wear. Just found it funny cause it's like, yes...we get it...they are hipsters. And Michael...whoa...I bet as soon as the oldest girl gets married he's bringing in a fourth. That girl contributes to both monetary and as a helper...the only thing she can't do is give him kids. Also...Wish that daughter would pick a name of one of the guys in the mission...i shutter to think she'd get placed with Shepp. Oh man...that show is addicting...see ya Sister Wives...I think your 15 minutes might be up.

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  45. Just a few thoughts: 1) Becca/Marlene weirded me out. Marlene looked a little weirded out as well. I feel like she just tolerates Beccas behavior to keep things civil, but you could so tell she's not feeling it. 2) I agree, I have NO CLUE what the producers were thinking showing Shepp. He goes against every positive reason people are watching this show. Bad move. 3) I have this weird feeling (and it's only my opinion) but I think about 75% of the women in CP lie about their "inspiration". It's easy enough to do, and since it's normal not to know/like your spouse very much before marriage it wouldn't be a big deal if the guy was disappointed (like Hyrum). I say this only because I think Rose Marie is trying to do things "the right/honorable way" and she is really screwing herself over. I pray that she doesn't end up with someone awful, courtesy of the brethren. 4) Ezra and Tiffany have only been dating 6 months. No offense to them, but this probably isn't going to last. It wouldn't last in mainstream society, and these two have the odds way stacked against them. What's the rush to get married anyway? Part of me can't help but wonder if they're waiting to have sex until marriage. That will light a fire under an 18 year old. 5) Lastly, I never realized how alike Mariah and Aspyn look. It makes sense since they are half-sister, but wow! They both looked great!

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  46. I just watched the latest episode and there were so MANY things that disturbed me to my core, I can barely name them all (Michael's Boxcar children, the weird wine-fueled flirtation between Marlene and Becca, Michael Cawley's "Righteous Seed" and desire for 50 children, to name but a few).

    But the thing that bothered me the most was a brief shot of one of the littlest Cawley babies climbing up the stairs with nary a single adult or older child in sight. WHO is watching all of those children?!! Babies must be watched! At all times, not just when it's convenient!

    I do NOT. UNDERSTAND. THIS. LIFESTYLE. Wives are miserable and compete for pathetic scraps of attention from one man. Children cannot possibly be getting the attention they need, not only for comfort but for safety. The men sit back and chillax, worried more about how their hair looks/how to avoid work (Kody) or how to convince the wives to herd those extra pesky older kids that are just taking up precious space into giant metal containers (Creepy Cawley).

    Yes, please - sign me up!!! Because this lifestyle makes everyone so gosh darn happy! Gotta get me some of that!

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  47. The Duggars were on the Today show talking about how the new season is starting (again) on Sunday, Father's Day. Wonder how the Browns feel that the Duggars (who are WAY past their prime) have had two seasons since SisterWives last aired. In fact, we haven't had any new episodes at all in 2013. I wonder if TLC is pretty much done with them? No promotion, previews or hints from TLC. Dead silence.

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    1. Yeah, I got to agree with you that TLC may be done with the Browns. The only times I've seen a TV network ignore a show the way TLC is doing with Sister Wives, the show literally had one foot out the door and the other on a banana peel! HBOs Carnivale and Big Love (yes, Big Love), ABCs reboot of "V", NBCs The Event, all these shows had seasons cut short, with a long hiatus followed by the return of the show and the shocking announcement of cancellation.

      TLC will most likely will announce the return date a week or 2 in advance, then after episode 2 or 3, quietly announce the show will not be renewed.

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  48. I am so glad people on this blog are able to see through the propaganda that Centennial Park is putting out via NatGeo. If their good side looks bad to you, the dark side would astound you.

    I want to add my perspective on the "applesauce" scene in Polygamy USA. Some were saying that Rose looked terrified when Michael said he had only just bought the applesauce. The look I saw was shame. I have seen that look SO many times on various female faces in Centennial Park. I saw that she was ashamed for not rationing the applesauce more frugally. And I have little doubt that shame will trickle down to the children who request a second, or larger, helping of applesauce...or what have you.

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      Your perspective, while I believe is very insightful, makes me so sad.

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    2. yeah, like the Browns - these CP peeps are "putting their best foot forward" to market themselves to be embraced by the public. they're clueless as to why their best is just not good enough for the masses to buy it.

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  49. Sister Blister, on the upside... Michael has a healthy dose of shanger (shame induced anger aka polygamist passive aggression) coming down the pipeline from Rose. When she has let that applesauce moment simmer long enough in her mind ("I would like to see Michael feed nine kids for three days with one jar of applesauce"), I will wager that Michael will have it gently crammed down his throat in a totally unrelated discussion and with unrelated words.

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  50. Well ... it has been an eternity since the sisterwives closet announced their new cheap line of jooerly for us cheap ass fans... wondering where it is? I know only places like China take that long to ship wholesale. I ordered off ebay once from China for something that costs little and got little and it took over a month! Thinking all this made in the US is bull and also think these ladies (including our man Kody) are stalling. They so rarely post ANYTHING. I get that they are scared to go and screw up their contract with whoever produces Sister Wives but, I think that is over anyway so should ride out with a bang and start capitalizing. Robyns work on her blog still cracks me up. Several of the bloggers on here have probably posted beneath it in the comment section and now her bonus children and family have probably been making the posts below that say hey, lighten up... she has a Jewelry on line business! LOL... I had one too. For the fun of it only and I do not think it is so profitable if they have not put on new stock such as tshirts, mugs, purses etc. . . without the sister wives logo not much is gonna sale. Even then.... maybe not much would sale.

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    1. yeah, i would feel like a complete idiot to walk around publicly touting/advertising for Sister Wives. they really don't have a marketable brand when you think about it fully.

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  51. I know I am probably the only one but I am super into those crate houses. I am obsessed with the tiny house phenomenon. I subscribe to blogs and look into new ways to incorporate everything into them like a little swiss army house. I've seen some amazing things done with those packing crates. That said I am sure they dont have the resources funds or the almost more valuable one for these elaborate crate house projects..the time to turn it from a carpeted box into a home. I'm not defending the dude but those little houses can be super awesome and home sizes in the U.S.A. per person is way way higher than other countries ..but I am sure not in this family. They should have done tumbleweed houses (look up for adorable tiny houses) and given it at least a cute cottage feel. I mean I am sure they could get the missionaries to put that entire thing up and painted and carpetted in a weekend.

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    1. I said this on another page I think, but to really make a home out of those containers, you have to at least have a good architect. But, from the videos on Lisa Ling's followup, there are windows and insulation, thank goodness. Maybe now they have drywall and paint to look like a regular structure. I hope there are bathrooms because those things are placed really far from the mainhouse.

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  52. are there any doctors, scientists, inventors etc. produced by this community? or do they just rely on the inferior "gentiles" to produce this kind of greatness in society of which they reap the benefits?

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  53. Is Lisa Ling like the spokesperson for Centennial Park? Her interview with Dr. Drew floored me. She is either completely snowed by this cult, I mean community, or she failed Psychology. These polygamous groups might make Societal Stockholm Syndrome a proveable theory.

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  54. What happens to men who cannot father children and wives who cannot get pregnant?

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    1. Now that is something I have never seen addressed - excellent question!

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    2. That is a good question, I hope to see others more educated to answer.

      My guess is that for the men-I have heard firsthand a story of where a "high" FLDS member had that problem, allegedly, he would come to the home of a young couple and after the wife gave birth, told them god had told him it was for them, and the couple had no power to do anything. I have heard of this happening more than once.

      The women, now that's a great question.

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    3. Right now I imagine those cases are less than 5 in 10,000. No infertile woman's name comes to mind and the only man's name that does was Fred Jessop. He was a high FLDS member and perhaps the one Mister Sister mentioned. I'll ask around, but as far as I know the cases are so rare.

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    4. Flora Jessop addressed this in her book, CHURCH OF LIES. babies were taken from her own mother and given to one of her uncle's childless wives. it was just one more arrow in the devastated and broken heart of her mother as a plyg wife.

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  55. In Lisa's defense monogamy has these same problems. And she has to say something positive about each issue or no one would want to participate in further programming.

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  56. Westminster is a good school, the really only small private college in all of Utah(coming from New England it has a non-Utah feel and is very diverse religiously, it is a great choice for Mariah but NOT for pre med). It has a very good nursing program but is not known for pre-med or science. In fact it I don't think any graduates of Westminster got into the University of Utah medical school the years I knew someone on the admissions board. The University of Utah has strict guidelines. Utah residents(which someone I guess Mariah could try and become again?) take up at least 90% of the spots(usually 100-125 students) and then they have to accept students from nearby states without medical schools like Idaho, Wyoming and Montana for the rest. they have 2-3 students that come from other states like California and Nevada and they are usually to add to diversity racially. The Utah students usually come from the U of U and BYU and maybe 1 or 2 from USU or SUU but it is very very full of U and BYU students. I had never seen anyone from Dixie, or Westminster get into U of U medical school for the many years I was close to someone on the admissions board. I wish her luck but Westminster again is a great school but it doesn't have a really good science department or is not consider a pre-med school(just a good nursing program but the classes are strictly for nursing students). I just feel bad if her end goal is medical school she should be at UNLV or U of U not Westminster.

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  57. I just read the post Clearly and completely and realized you already posted about this I'm sorry, ignore. My previous comment. Obviously I'm too late.

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  58. I found this on reddit.There atr people from CP talking about what it is like and what they believe. One of them is Marlene! Very interesting! http://www.reddit.com/r/latterdaysaints/comments/1gr04g/i_am_a_member_of_a_fundamentalist_mormon_group/?sort=old

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  59. Actually I have to disagree with you that the scene with Hyrum and one of the brethren was staged and he was a bad actor. As someone who has been through many interviews with church leaders in the mainstream LDS church that is exactly what it is like. They are asking you all these questions and you are trying to say the right things and then oh crap you realize you didn't shave that day and you are even more nervous. It is even worse when they ask you about masturbation. It is kind of weird how similar it is even though the two groups have been separated for over 100 years.

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  60. Are they making more episodes of Polygamy USA or is it done done?

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    1. There must be a second season! Wouldn't they be filming around now? Any spies outing. UT/AZ??

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