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Saturday, August 27, 2011

Mormon's won't tell you -

This is excerpts of a piece sent to me.
It is online, we're not the first to print it, and this is how a man felt that came out of the church.
We don't agree or disagree with it.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that they believe your Church is wrong, your Christian creeds are abomination to God, and you pastor or Priest is a hireling of Satan.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that there is salvation only in their church - all others are wrong.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that those who have been through their temples are wearing secret underwear to protect themselves from "evil". This "evil" includes non - Mormons like you.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU about their secret temple rites at all. If they did, you would spot them as non Christians immediately.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that they think "familiar spirits" are good, and that their Book of Mormon has a "familiar spirit". Leviticus 19:31 says familiar spirits defile one, and are to be avoided at all costs. The Lord tell us to stay away from any spirit, any passed spirit, any physic.
 MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that women receive salvation ONLY through their Mormon husbands, and must remain pregnant for all eternity.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that they intend to be GODS themselves some day, and are helping to earn their exaltation to godhood by talking to you.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that they intend to have many wives in heaven, carrying on multiple sex relations throughout eternity, until they have enough children to populate their own earth, so they can be "Heavenly Father" over their own planet!
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that you were once a spirit – a baby spirit - child of THEIR heavenly father, and one of his numerous wives before you were born on earth.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that the Virgin Mary really wasn't a VIRGIN at all but had sex relations with their heavenly father to produce the Mormon version of Jesus Christ
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that they believe Jesus had at least three wives and children while he was on this earth.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that the "heavenly father" they ask you to pray to with them, is really an exalted man that lives on a planet near the star base Kolob, and is not the Heavenly Father of the Bible at all.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that Jesus was really Lucifer's brother in the spirit world, and it was only due to a "heavenly council" vote that Jesus became our redeemer instead of Satan!!
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that there are over one hundred divisions in Mormonism. They conveniently "forget" this while criticizing the many denominations within the body of Christ
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that all their so- called scriptures such as the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and Covenants, and even their official "Mormon Doctrine" statements contradict each other on MAJOR doctrinal points. The King James Bible is likewise contradicted.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that the reason the Book of Mormon has no maps is because there is not one scrap of archaeological evidence to support it!
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that the state of Utah, which is predominately Mormon, has a higher than the national average of wife-beating, child abuse, and teenage suicide.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that their prophet Joseph Smith was heavily involved in the occult when he founded Mormonism.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that that they encourage visitations from dead relatives from the "spirit world", a practice forbidden in the Bible. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12.)
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that there are many accounts of Joseph Smith's first vision besides the one they present to you, and all are different.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that their secret temple oaths are based on the Scottish Rite Masons.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that before 1978 they considered the Negro race inferior and even one drop of Negro blood prevented a person from entering their priesthood.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that they expect Christ to return to their temple in Missouri, but they haven't built the temple He's supposed to return to, because they don't own the property. (It is owned by the "Temple Lot Mormons" who have plans of their own, and won't let the Salt Lake City group buy it).
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that they consider the Bible to be untrustworthy and full of errors.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that Jesus' death on the cross only partially saves the believer.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that that according to Anton Lavey's Satanic Bible, the demon god of the living dead is called "Mormo". Is it just a coincidence that the Mormons are so concerned with the dead?
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that on their Salt Lake City Temple they prominently display an upside-down star which is a Satanic symbol known as the Goat's head. Why?
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that they believe the Archangel Michael came down to earth with several of his celestial wives, and became Adam in the garden of Eden.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that that they believe the angel Gabriel came down to earth and became Noah in the days of the flood.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that their Prophet Joseph Smith prophesied falsely many times. For example, he foretold the second coming of Christ for 1891. The Bible teaches that one false prophecy puts the prophet under death sentence. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22).
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that their Prophet Joseph Smith did not die as a martyr as they claim, but was killed during a gun battle in which he himself killed two men and wounded a third.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU about the Mountain Meadows Massacre in which they brutally murdered an innocent wagon train of settlers, of over one hundred men, women, and most of the children, traveling through Utah.
MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that Joseph Smith taught that there were inhabitants on the moon, and Brigham Young taught there were inhabitants on the sun as well!

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the Mormons, is well aware that if these facts were known to the convert prior to baptism, they would have very few converts! The Missionaries are well trained to keep most of these facts from their potential converts.
Tragically, many Mormons may not even be fully aware of the doctrines and history of their own church. Every statement on this tract is true. Mormons are encouraged to check out their own publications for documentation of the above. After all, if the Mormon Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) has the truth, it can stand any amount of investigation.
Please do not be afraid to investigate. We are not Ex-Mormons, but Christians defending the Christian Church and its beliefs.


  1. If you are a Mormon and feel differently, please tell us where this is wrong.

  2. It's all intact to me. from an ex Fundy Mormon.

  3. This is some scary shit, it really is. I want to be fair, but I see nothing christian in here.

  4. I would like to see a priest or pastor, whatever they call them, tell this as truth. Lying is not any type of religion but the devil's

  5. What saddens me, is I like the Brown's somewhat. How can 5 intelligent people actually believe all this? Do es it come from the ego building that they are special? What?
    They can say they are not like the others, but, they believe all this, so, I don't see how they can differentiate themselves.
    Browns, I pray for you today, too. Please get out of this mess. Teach your children different. Don't you realize the lord will punish you for teaching your kids this cult crap.

  6. Do the LDS believe all this, because the hide it... duh, I guess that's what they won't tell you... need my coffee!

  7. I'm from the UK and a lot of LDS are originally from there, plus there are some of the biggest congregrations of LDS outside of the US here. Fundamentalist mormons have an even higher percentage of British origin folks; particularly from the counties of Lancashire, Staffordshire (Warren Jeffs ancestors are from there), Yorkshire and Kent. Anyway I did my research on LDS as a kid and the above is all true. They feel it perfectly acceptable to not inform anyone of this until they are baptised into the faith, its all part of 'lying for the lord'

  8. Hi Soph,
    I have never even been around any type of Mormon before. Do they actually say, "lying for the lord?" Because that seems to be a common theme!LOL

  9. Doesn't this sound like a crazy sci-fi movie?

  10. It's referred to as "Milk before Meat"...you can Google it. Implies that new converts, like infants are only able to digest milk at this point; will be strong enough later for meat.

    There is some biblical basis for it, I'll poke around a bit and maybe come up with it and post it later.

  11. Bunsterj - maybe write a little post?? We'd love you to!

  12. I usually find your articles to be very interesting however I have some issues with this post. I think all religions have some strange practices/beliefs. I have been raised Catholic my entire life. Some of our highlights are: we put all our faith in what the Pope says, we believe babies are born with sin, we tell our priest what we did wrong, we pray to Mary and the saint, and exorcisms. We aren't the only religion with some extreme practices. The Jewish religion preform Kaparot. This is performed by grasping a live chicken by the shoulder blades and moving around one’s head three times, symbolically transferring one’s sins to the chicken. The chicken is then slaughtered and donated to the poor, preferably eaten at the pre-Yom Kippur feast. Scientology use E-meters for addressing Spiritual issues. Some of friends have taken offense to the fact that I had my son circumcised. If you look hard enough there are issues with every Religion's beliefs and practices. It seems to me this is starting to turn into a witch hunt.

    1. I was raised Catholic. I was taught the pope is infallible when he makes a formal statement regarding matters of Faith, Like writes an Encyclical, not that "we put our faith in what the Pope says". Sometimes he is speaking as just a man, his opinion. Original sin is believed by many faiths. That's why Jesus became man, to save us from sin. We are asked to confess only grevious sins to our priests (murder, adultry, etc). I have NEVER prayed to Mary and Saints; that is simply WRONG. We ask them to join their prayers with ours, to intercede for us with Jesus.

  13. I actually have to take issue with this post as well. It all sounds like a lot of hate talk to me. None of your statements have references or context to them. No quotes from anyone in leadership that's a mormon or any quotes from any of the sacred mormon text. Anyone could have written this and said mormons believe anything. It seems that the mormon church has plenty of information about themselves out there on the internet. If mormons are encouraged to seek out the information in their own documentation, perhaps at least some of it could have been included in the post to back up the information for the rest of us. I agree with the previous commenter that this sounds like a witch hunt.

  14. Is there anything in this post that is untrue? If there is anything untrue in the above post, then those of you who feel that this post is "hate talk" or a "witch hunt" are free to point out those untruths and they would certainly be retracted.

    Or does it just make people uncomfortable to see this in black and white?

  15. Reading the information does not make me uncomfortable. Being Catholic, it is hard for me to understand how someone can live their life to become a "God" in the afterlife. I do have issues with Mormon beliefs However I also have issues with Catholic beliefs. I think it is ridiculous that priest can't be married. I cringe when people assume all Priest are sleeping with the alter boys. I also disagree with the Catholic view of homosexuality. My point is that just because the church has a certain view on a subject does not mean each member of their congregation shares that view. I don't feel like we should assume that every Mormon belives this

  16. Well, there is much more to it I will be posting. Get Ready! It makes me squirm, too, but, It's what they believe.

  17. Seriously, It's not a witch hunt. It's a truth hunt.

  18. I'm not LDS, nor do I play one on television, I just recall reading somewhere (I can't recall the exact source, sorry) that the missionaries use the "Milk before Meat" thinking when giving information to potential and new converts, with the thinking being that they (the new) are not ready to process all of the LDS info from the start. There is a biblical basis for it.

    Paul's 1st Letter to Corinthians, Chapter 3:
    1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
    2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
    3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

    and then in Hebrews, Chapter 5:
    12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
    13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
    14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

  19. "I'm not LDS, nor do I play one on television,"

    You crack me up, i love it!!!
    I have read, also they don't tell you the whole scoop, sometimes, ever!

  20. More Facts ....

  21. bunsterj - I have heard that too-
    "Milk before Meat"

  22. Usually this blog is very good about using photographs, official documents, and published news articles to talk about polygamy while this post has none of that. It does not make me uncomfortable, it just makes me believe less and less this post is a truth hunt. It also seems if some mormons don't even know they believe this then maybe it's unfair to claim that they all believe it.

  23. I usually don't get involved in these conversations but as a life long Mormon, I thought I'd throw my two cents in. These statements are gross misrepresentations of the religion that I know and practice. If any individual approached me with a question about any of these statements legitimately, I and every other Mormon I know would wholeheartedly answer those questions the best that we knew how. Yes, we do not divulge information regarding the temple ceremony outside the temple but that's because it's sacred to us. Any individual who is interested in entering the temple is welcome to make the choices necessary in order to do so and come partake of the sacredness that exists there. Our temple garments are an outward expression of an inward commitment to follow the Lord. It reminds us to stay free from temptation and follow God. From what I understand, the Jewish religion has similar reminders of their commitments to God. In no way do the garments "protect themselves from "evil". This "evil" includes non - Mormons like you." In only stands as a reminder to protect against sin and temptation. I believe there is truth can be found in every religion and respect and admire anyone who chooses to follow religion throughout their life. We absolutely do not believe "your Church is wrong, your Christian creeds are abomination to God, and you pastor or Priest is a hireling of Satan." Again, truth can be found in every religion. And while this sounds pretty terrible "MORMONS WON'T TELL YOU that women receive salvation ONLY through their Mormon husbands, and must remain pregnant for all eternity." it's not the case either. We believe men and women can only receive salvation together so the man needs the woman and the woman needs the man. Those that don't have the opportunity to get married in this life will receive that chance in the next. And no, women in no way, shape or form are to remain pregnant throughout eternity. That's just simply not true. As a female myself I have not once felt inferior and was never discriminated against by the church. And I do consider myself to be a very independent and well educated woman. Briefly- no we do not believe Jesus was a polygamist, we do not consider the Bible to be untrustworthy, our scriptures absolutely do not contradict each other (I have spent years studying each of them myself), we do not in any way worship Satan, Mary did not have sexual relations with God, Adam only had one wife and her name was Eve, Satan was never "in the running and lost the vote" to become our savior, we most certainly believe in the Heavenly Father of the Bible (and that is who we pray to)...

    If you have more questions I'll refer you to http://mormon.org/faq/ and encourage anyone who is interested to investigate our beliefs. While we are not interested in arguing, we are always open to any questions.

  24. I guess I should add that I don't have a problem with garden variety Mormons, nor any religion for that matter (that acts within the law, and there are those within every religion that don't). My thinking is --suum cuique pulchrum est,
    = To each his own is beautiful. I am interested in what other religions believe and how they worship, and locally there was a program called "Unity in the Community," where each month a different group presented what they believed and gave you a look around their place of worship. We live in the US and your religion is your choice.

  25. Sadly, the "Mormon" who posted as anonymous on Aug 30 does not know the History, the Writings, the LDS Teachers Statements, and/or the Scriptures of her own religion.

    Quote from Journal of Discourses, Vol 8:
    "The birth of our Savior was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of NATURAL ACTION. He partook of FLESH AND BLOOD--was begotten of his father, as we were of our fathers." (JoD, vol. 8, p. 115) ... There are MANY more quotes from Brigham Young, J.F.Smith, Pratt, and more.

    The blog article posted here are ALL TRUE beliefs and statements of the Mormon Church and its Leaders, and CAN be read in their scriptures/books/history ... easily google searched!

    It does get overwhelming to provide every supportive Scripture or Historical date for each statement made for every single crazy belief of the Mormon Church, as I've seen in my own research ...

    btw: did you know that the Word MORMON in Chinese means "Gates of Hell", so the LDS missionaries don't call themselves Mormons in China! This is just another interesting fact that I was reminded of when reading in this post about the god of the dead being called "mormo" in the satanic bible. I had friends who were long term missionaries in China, who confirmed this to me!!

    All in all, the Christian Community is being deceived when/if they are told Mormons are Christians. Mormons, call yourselves Mormons and leave it at that. You are not Orthodox, Biblical, Born Again Christians. No hate about it. No Witch Hunt. Just Plain and Simple Truth.


  26. Anonymous, this came from an Ex Mormon, that was a Fundamental Polygamist.
    Are you FM or LDS, I'd say there's a big difference. This is not meant to be a witch hunt. It's just telling the facts that have been printed, and out there- I'm sorry you found it offensive, at the same time, we are trying to learn about this religion.

  27. Mister Sister, as another life long member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I have to put my 2 cents in as well. I re-itterate what was said in the comment dated August 30, 2011 at 11:57 A.M. In regards to your comment about how this post is about the Fundementalist Church, you may want to reitterate that in the post itself and not just the comments. There is a BIG difference between the FLDS Church and the mainstream LDS church. I don't know what goes on in that church. I have never investigated it. I do know what goes on in my church and I can tell you that none of what you stated here is true for the LDS church. Please do your readers a favor and correct your information.

  28. I will look into it, this was sent to me by an ex mormon. I always try to be fair, and will investigate.

  29. If you want to know the real facts...google LDS.ORG instead of third and fourth hand gossip.It's all out and public for anyone looking for facts and not fiction.

  30. LDS is not what were are looking at. Fundamentalist Mormons are what we are looking into. If you'd like to write a post and send it to me, explaining your beliefs, feel free to do so! I will post it.
    Not to pro con this one, but to tell your story in your positive light.

  31. This is so sad. I too am a life long member of the LDS church (that would be The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints). Like previously stated, there is a HUGE difference between the FLDS and mainstream LDS church. In the LDS church nothing is secret- but rather sacred. Marriage is between one man and one woman bounded by God for time and eternity. There are so many assumptions of the LDS church because of people like the Browns. I see many people are saying these are facts since you can easily find them on google. But in reality, the only reason why they're found on google is because of ignorant people claiming they know a religion. Making false statements about a religion. If you guys want to know the TURE LDS church, not just he said she said bit and pieces of the truth, then actually look on our website (lds.org) attend one of our meetings, actually get to know a mormon. We are not a cult and are not a secret society. Anyone is welcome to attend our sunday meetings, and anyone is welcome to learn more about our beliefs. Christ is the center of our church and each day we're trying to be more and more like Him. Please fix the headline of this post. It is misleading.

  32. It seems to me that there is a desire to actually know some truth by the OP. This however is not it. As a lifelong member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints I was actually laughing out loud while I read this post. I wasn't going to post but after reading the comments I thought I might as well. Nothing on your list is true. No, Mormons do not believe those things. As for FLDS - I have no idea - but your post is titled Mormon, not FLDS. Anti-Mormon ministries are some of the most lucrative ministries around and unfortunately they play on some ex-mormons who I am sure have been hurt by crazy family members or spouses or whatever. (Keep in mind that crazies come in many faiths) The fact that they are so lucrative breeds the desire for some less than honest twisting of the truth or out and out lies. Check out mormon.org or better yet TALK to a real Mormon. There are A LOT of us out there.

    1. I so agree! These statements are so twisted. Talk to an actual, practicing Mormon if you really want a fair and honest answer.

  33. First, what are you? LDS? There is a huge problem with the different groups all calling themselves Mormons, and I know the LDS church is fighting this hard-even though, the polygamists are following more to the scripture of Joseph Smith.
    You say there not Mormons, they say they are. Would you call Kody a Mormon? He Calls himself one.
    So you are saying that the LDS church members do not believe one thing that is on the list?

  34. Just curious - where are you from? It seems to me from your comments that you have very little first hand info about mormons - as in actually knowing some. Please do not take this as rude, but in my experience living on the West Coast most people know some of us because we are pretty prolific.
    So to answer your questions: As I stated in my post I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This means that I am LDS and most people - including ourselves - refer to us as "Mormon." The term mormon btw was a derogatory slur used in the 1800 - early 1900's that our people started using in order to deflate the pain of a discriminatory term. There are many churches today ( and yes some cults) who trace their beginnings to Joseph Smith and the Nauvoo period. Others schisms broke off during the western migration. (I think the last time I researched it it was over 20 - but not sure) The whole thing can get quite confusing. "Mormon" refers to the largest, main church - The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who are 18 million strong with members all over the world including Donny and Marie, Mitt Romney, Harry Reid and Gladys Knight. NO - Kody and his family are not Mormon. This distinction is clear. He might call himself Fundamentalist or Fundamentalist Mormon but not Mormon alone, because it is not his church or his religion. Now - I do not know what his church (or many of the other break-offs) really teaches or believes (aside from the polygamy bit - but then you have the Community of Christ which is pretty mainstream Christian and would argue that THEY teach the pure teachings of Joseph Smith although they kinda hide it in my opinion as they do not wish to be associated with Mormons). I will be the first to admit that some of the break-offs are whacky but it is not the LDS/Mormon church. There is no scripture of Joseph Smith other than his history which has nothing in your OP.
    Here is an analogy to help explain: What you are (inadvertently I hope) doing is the same as saying that the Pope or Greg Laurie (of Focus on the Family) espouse the same beliefs as that crazy minister who protests at military funerals and wants to kill all homosexuals just because they all fall under the "Christian" umbrella.
    To answer your last question: Mountain Meadows is true - but that is another post and that tragedy needs to be understood in a larger context.

  35. I'm just going to add my 2 cents to this conversation. Annonymous 9/27 10:54AM, I have read what you've written so I've got a question: If the Kody Brown family lived in your city, and expressed an interest in having their teenage children join an LDS youth group that your children attended, what would your reactions be? Would you welcome them? Or you would you turn them away?

    I'm just interested in your feelings and I hope you don't think I'm putting you on the spot. Since this was actually a brought up on Sister Wives (I believe by Logan, one of the sons), it would be interesting to hear how you would feel or react.

  36. Cynical Jinx - This is the thought I had and was googling when I stumbled across this blog. I was actually looking for other Mormon women who watch the show and what they thought about the Brown's going to Young Women/Young Men's (the term for LDS youth groups). Las Vegas btw has a HUGE Mormon population (LDS not polygamist!) - so I am actually kinda interested to see if this dilemma will come up again. I cannot imagine that it won't unless they edit it out.

    Obviously any and all children would be welcome to come and participate. We have non-member kids all the time. In places like California and Las Vegas there are Mormon dances (free dances put on for the youth so they can socialize in a good environment) every Friday and Saturday night (fewer in less dense LDS areas but at least once a month) and probably 40 -50% of the kids who attend are not members but just come with friends. In order to attend all the kids (Mormon and non) must agree to some high standards - no smoking/drinking - no drugs - no bad language - no PDA etc. It is understood that if you are there you will play by our rules. Fair enough?

    So for the Browns - if they were to send their kids to our Youth Groups (they meet once a week on a weeknight and have a mixture of lessons and fun activities) they would know that their children would be taught that sex is sacred and should be kept within marriage - one woman one man - and that anything else is sin. We are not open to anything else and so I don't know how that would settle with them. (It didn't look like Kody liked the idea anyway) I will say, that I would bet money that the adults would not be so well received. Non- member parents who are gay/lesbian, living together - heck even drug addicts - would be better received than polygamists. And the reason why? Read the original blog post :(

  37. Oops let me clarify - After re-reading I thought that my last sentence could read that I believe that the Brown family teaches their family the silliness in the original blog post. I have no idea what the Brown family believes or teaches their children because they are not LDS/Mormon - and I would honestly doubt it is any of the above.

    What I meant is that as Mormon people we are constantly being bombarded by these anti-Mormon lies and some of it stems from the whacko polygamists. We do not like to have to constantly defend our beliefs because it simply takes away from their simplicity and beauty.

    I know that Jesus Christ is my savior and that through the atonement and His grace I am saved. No ifs or buts. I know that I have felt the sweet promptings and teachings of the comforter - the Holy Ghost. I know that I am a child of God and that He loves and knows me personally and has answered my prayers. No amount of double talk or silliness can ever take those very personal experiences away from me. I'm good - and I know that I am good with God :)

  38. Thanks, Anonymous; it's a little hard to continue to comment on these with so many "anonymous" people. But, I'm actually the one that wrote the comment on September 26, 2011 at 10:58 PM. The Brown's are NOT mormon and in the most recent episode you can hear them refer to the "LDS" or "mormon" church. The biggest misconception is the FLDS and LDS are the same. Like the other anonymous commenter, I also have no idea what other details the FLDS church teaches other than polygamy, but that right there makes the LDS and FLDS church totally different. The prophets of the LDS church stress to the members the importance of a marriage between one man and one woman.

    The Brown's (and anyone else) is welcomed to our meetings. But, like already stated, they might receive some bad feelings because it's mainly the FLDS church that makes the world dislike the LDS church. People don't understand they are two different beliefs. I can also tell you the "mormon" that sent you this was not "mormon" at all. Or they just have no idea what they're learning every Sunday.

  39. Where'smyMcMansion?November 18, 2012 at 7:48 AM

    I just have to point out that someone trying to gain OBJECTIVE information about the Mormon religion, particularly info that the Mormons don't want others to know, should probably NOT use the official Mormon websites.

    Also, sacred doesn't have to equal secret. I don't understand that mentality.