The lawsuit filed by the polygamous Brown family goes back to a courtroom on Thursday. But the plaintiffs, made famous by the television show "Sister Wives," can already claim some successes.
The Browns have won the issue of whether they
are allowed to sue, and they managed to win it without getting
prosecuted for bigamy. That means U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups
will hear arguments Thursday on the heart of the case: whether Utah’s
statute making plural marriage a crime is unconstitutional.
The Browns’ attorney, George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley, issued a statement last week. Please read the rest at: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55606398-78/browns-wives-utah-sister.html.csp
(Source: The Salt Lake Tribune)
Updates to the proceedings:
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55643460-78/waddoups-polygamy-utah-jensen.html.csp
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/sister-wives-lawsuit-back-utah-courtroom
http://fox13now.com/2013/01/17/judge-contemplates-decriminalizing-polygamy-sister-wives/
Here's how I read it:
ReplyDeleteWe don't want to be in jail, nor to we want the govt to make our fake marriages legal. How can we get food stamps for all the spirit babies then, or free govt insurance?
I agree, they want the Goverment to not investigate them, leave them alone to have multipal marriages so they can keep defrauding the system. If the Government made all the marriages legal then Kody would have to support all seventeen children on his own. They can't have their cake and eat it too,they either want plural marriages legal and they support themselves or not legal and still support themselves....either way the Government needs to crack down on all the fraud.
Delete"....either way the Government needs to crack down on all the fraud."
DeleteAgree ! But not holding my breath on that to happen any time soon.
The glutting of the system by those using the "Principle" will go on as usual.
It seems likely that the Browns, probably with the encouragement ($$?) of silent, like-minded groups, agreed to parlay their SW notoriety and be the poster-family for this filing and case. F-8 and TLC had to have been onboard with it too since it was a win-win for them to keep interest going in the show.
Kody must be just loving the extra print and chatter about himself.
Maybe that is how they got the money to hire this high profile lawyer and maybe even money for the houses? To make them look more functional?
DeleteI thought Jonathon Turkey was doing the Brown lawsuit pro bono*
DeleteI just don't believe the Browns would shell out this kind of cash for an attorney. They' re too cheap. Besides they'd rather spend the $$ on vacations or furnishing their new houses.
On the subject of vacations, I see from twitter that Meri and Kody were sighted at Disneyland...
Delete** Turley**
DeleteDisneyland?? Seriously?? Oh geez these leeches never cease to amaze me. Did Mero feel entitled to go away w/ Kody since she was the last Wide to close on her house & just needed to get away for some alone time?? ( eyes rolling)
Well I guess theyre not hurting for $$ too bad. Stilla ble to afford Disneyland after moving into 4 big homes & celebrating holidays for 22 people...smh
OMG, hearing this makes me want to vomit...
DeleteThe Brown's do NOT take welfare !!!!!! It is wild that everyone want to cruse this family, It not the governments job to say who are how many women you can have, I think the Browns stand up for there beliefs and I have more respect because Cody because he loves everyone of his wife and girlfriends, and he takes time with his children unlike many other men who go out and has 5 or 6 kids and never pays out one dime and here is where the taxpayer and the government has to step in and give them free health care, free house, free food, tax credits for having more children and not work,,,,, so if you notice people like the browns and the Dugers family take care of there own children and there own bills,,, They don't sit around wait for the first of the month and get there government checks, and there food stamp card to be credited up to $700 for food, so chill people, this show is no different then the other shows and if one show are to be paid !!!
DeleteI agree with anonymous leave them alone they dont take anything from the government and I only wish there where more men like Cody who loves and takes care and most of all spends time with his children
DeleteAnd I read it this way:
ReplyDeleteWasting more taxpayers money, either through lawsuits or welfare handouts
They probaby found a mormon judge, who after carefull consideration will say, yes the Browns have been prosecuted
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure most "Mormon" judges will have the same disgust and contempt for the Browns that most of us on this site have...there are a lot of Mormons who come here.
DeleteAnoymouse, you are absolutely correct! The Brown's are NOT "Mormon"!
DeleteThe Browns are Fundamentalist Mormon, LDS doesn't consider them Mormon, but they changed their religion from the original, not Kody's family. As an outsider studying their religion, they actually are practicing the true Mormon religion. Many splinters appear in all religious sects, but don't feel you can count them out as Mormons.
DeleteThey most certainly are Mormon. Id argue they are true Mormons. The LDS church changed its policy so UT could gain statehood. They now say plural marriage is okay in the afterlife only. What would a true follower do? Listen to Joseph Smith, right? Of course! Either way, the Mormon churches all contridict the bible. When I realized that, I left their church.
DeleteAnon 12:45 - Actually, FLDS is the splinter.
DeleteAre the Browns fighting for themselves or for the freedom of all plg marriages? Pls excuse my stupidity!
ReplyDeleteHi Anonymous @ 12:27: I think that the Browns are fighting for both. Most cases of this nature argue a specific plaintiff's issue, and then argue a larger issue. An example of this would be the abortion case, Roe vs. Wade. The woman who went by Jane Roe, an alias, was attempting to fight for her own personal access to an abortion, and ultimately, when the case landed at the US Supreme Court, the issue of legalization of abortion for all women was argued. Ironically, by then, Jane Roe had given birth, so her own personal case was moot.
DeleteWow. I had never thought enough about roe vs wade to know that she gave birth. I wonder how that child felt about her mom seeking an abortion. I think it will be interesting to see how the courts rule about people calling themseves married when they are not or even eligible to be married. Because if I get what this case boils down to is being able to claim a marriage that is not or never will be legal. It doesn't sound like they are trying to make ppolygamy legal just trying to tell Utah that if people want to pretend to be married they have to let them. It seems like utah is already letting them do that. What am I missing
Deleteharemhater - She gave the baby up for adoption. The child is now in its 40s and likely doesn't know.
DeleteWow again. That would be a heavy thing to know. It is weird to think of on that level. I love this blog and all the aspects of issues that come up. It really makes you think.
DeleteAlso interesting - the woman in Roe v. Wade is now a pro-life advocate.
DeleteYes anony 5:42 Norma McCorvey is pro-life, but that's because she didn't realize until after Roe vs Wade that women would use abortion as a form of birth control. She now says her lawyers never told her that would be the result.
DeleteI bet her child is pro-life. All it takes is for YOU to be the life at stake. Given that choice, we would all "choose life."
DeleteStill interesting.
DeleteHer child was adopted and probably has no idea who their birth mother was. It would be ironic if her child was pro-choice.
DeleteI'm not pro choice but I know plenty of people who would not have chosen to be born.
DeleteNorma McCorvey, the real name of Jane Roe, reunited several years ago with her biological daughter, who is named Melissa. Contrary to your assumptions, Melissa is pro-choice.
DeleteWe are all reading this the same then. They want us too accept them while they play us for more cash. Where I'm from we call that being played.
ReplyDeleteThey were a step ahead the whole way with this agenda to legalize polygamy when they went on TV, knowing this was illegal, and then cried and sued when nobody arrested them. These people make me sick.
DeleteI agree... it didn't play out the way they wanted it to play out. Maybe a high-profile arrest with a giant media frenzy followed by a multi-million dollar lawsuit against the state for persecution, or whatever? Instead they're forced to follow up with yet another
Deletescheme out of Lameville. What's even worse is how insulting it is that they think they're so much smarter than the world.
How about paying back some of the money the taxpayers have spent to support you, instead of buying too expensive houses and cars, Browns?
AndreaF
Once again, Kody and his Krew want everything, all at once.
ReplyDeleteI have no problem with these 4 adults 'doing weird' or whatever gets them off. Who cares what they do or how they do it?
I DO have a problem once they start having kid after kid after kid they can't and won't pay for and refuse to take responsibility for (Kody, this is about you), and that they have no way to emotionally support. This is WRONG and has far-reaching and long lasting effects.
This 'family' is a joke, they don't even take their own lawsuit seriously. They're horrible.
In many civil lawsuits, the actual parties (plaintiffs and defendants) are not present for all the preliminary motions, legal wrangling, etc. This particular upcoming argument seems to be getting to the meat of the matter, so I can see some/all of the Browns showing up to put a "face" to the lawsuit.
DeleteHi Anonymouse: I do think it matters to society when a man collects wives. I believe that when you make a decision to do something, whether it's throwing litter out of your car window or burning tires in your backyard, you should ask, "What if everyone did what I'm doing right now? What would the world be like?"
DeleteStatistics show that married men have better physical and mental health, financial stability, and community involvement. So, enter the likes of Kody Brown or Joe Darger. Each additional woman they marry takes a woman out of the marriage pool for a man. So, what would happen if this practice became widespread? Society would go in the toilet quickly if you had only 10% of adult men married to a lot of wives, and the other 90% of men unable to marry because there are no women left. Also, when you also consider what we've seen of the plygs regarding welfare fraud, tax evasion and bankruptcy abuse, it becomes obvious why we don't want this to become a common or even semi-common practice.
I agree with you that..."4 adults 'doing weird' or whatever gets them off" is fine. I don't care how many wives he has, I do care when he is never around to care for or financiaaly support all these kids. I don't care who you are how can anyone realistically say they can have quality time with seventeen kids. If you don't see your kids in more than a week because you're running between wives then HELLO there is a problem. If we asked these kids what does your dad do with each of you that makes you feel special or loved, what would that answer be. If we asked Kody what traits or special thing do you see in each of your kids.....Hmmmmmm bet he can't answer that one.
DeleteI agree with Magic Undies. There are a lot of negative repercussions for society if this practice becomes legal. And what kind of message does it send for equal rights for women? Why is it when women in other nations are fighting for polygamy to be made illegal, some in the US want to sanction it?
DeleteHey, Magic Undies!
DeleteI aree with you, I really do. What I don't care about is their sexuality. If you want to have 2,3,7,35 partners at a time - who cares as long as everyone is a consenting adult. The law shouldn't be there to regulate that kind of thing.
I absolutely care about what happens when a child comes into the picture. Adults have to realize that the CHILD and the CHILD'S WELFARE must come first, putting their own wants, needs and desires at the bottom of the pile. When selfish adults, such as the Browns and other polygamous groups, disregard their children's futures for their own pleasure and desires, society suffers. In order to make their 'lifestyle' work, the women and children remain ignorant to the world around them and totally dependent on the man. This takes away the choices, options, and freedoms from the women and children, and because of this, society suffers.
Basically: no kids = adults do whatever they want.
One kid or more = adults be responsible and get with the program; get a job, support your kids, stop being selfish and encourage your kids to develop into the best adults they can be.
I'm not saying that once a kid shows up, the adult stops living or having any dreams or goals, I'm just saying that if you choose to have a child, your child must come first, and you have to stop living for yourself. The Browns and Sullivan don't care about society, current or future. They only care about themselves.
Hi Anonymouse: What I tend to find disturbing about "polygamy" is, the overwhelming majority of the time, it's actually polygyny: one man and multiple women. There are very few polyandrous societies globally. If things were equal and women were just as likely as men to have multiple partners, I wouldn't be as hesitant about the whole thing Indeed, one could argue that polyandry is actually more practical in an overpopulated world, since a "one woman/multiple men" scenario will not produce 120+ children as you see Winston Blackmore and other Mormon men of his ilk create with their plethora of wives. One woman cannot bear 120 children.
DeleteMagic undies makes an excellent point. All we need to do is look at what has happened in China, where girls are culturally devalued, and the one child per family quota imposed there over 30 years ago. There have been the usual almost equal numbers of male versus female children recorded as born, yet as of 2005, the number of males under the age of 20 exceeded females by more than 32 MILLION. That's because millions of baby girl fetuses were aborted, as parents want to try again for a more desirable boy for their one baby. How does this relate to the practice of polygamy? Too few females to go around for too many males has caused unruly male populations and other social fallout. What if everyone did what the Browns and Dargers are doing? The numbers of "lost boys" would just grow and grow.
DeleteWe adopted one of those sweet baby girls from China and I am sooooo glad her birth mother did not abort her!
DeleteThank God she didn't. You are truly blessed !
DeleteAnon5:04,
DeleteGood for you and for your daughter !!!
I have a close friend who also adopted a beautiful little baby from China. She is an adorable little soul who has brought such joy to her new family. :)))))
Polyandry can never be equal to polygyny unless human biology becomes equally reversed as well. To have it truly match polygyny - the female needs to never be able to be pregnant and go through childbirth but all her husbands do. Again and again. Otherwise, how is it the same thing just cause the woman has a bunch of husbands? It's not at all.
DeleteAnytime I've seen polyandry actually work - it's never involved the woman having any children and her harem of men were allowed to go elsewhere sexually in addition to her exclusively and/or bring another woman into the polyandrous marriage or relationship. Again - very different from your religiously mandated polygyny.
Hi Anonymous @ 7:23: The fact that a woman has limited reproductive capacity is a societal and environmental advantage of polyandry over polygyny. You simply won't read about a problem with 100+ kids in a polyandrous family needing welfare support, because one woman cannot bear that many children. You do see that problem in Mormon polygyny. In a polyandrous family, you have only one child being born every nine months or so, barring multiple births.
DeleteThis is all academic, of course, because men are unlikely to put up with polyandry, and women are unlikely to desire it.
yeah, Magic Undies - having carried and birthed 4 sweet little babies myself, i was actually coming more from the emotional and physical aspect re:the reproduction biology in reverse "equal playing field" thoughts. Something that men can't possibly fully relate to having never been there/done that nor w/any anxious prospect of doing so.
Deleteand yes, i agree it's all academic because men ARE most unlikely to put up with polyandry even without personally childbearing involved. and that in itself gives a lot of food for thought.
Game: Sobbin' Robbin
ReplyDeleteHow do you play? Everytime Robyn cries: SHOT! But we eventually had to make it a drink, or we would've all died. lol
Fraud? 3 seasons on TLC and you still need money!? ehhhh They make the worst financial choices.
But I love this show. Maddie is a winner.
I don't know if it should be legalized or not, but definitely they could come after the men involved to take care of their kids financially and not depend on the state to do it.
ReplyDeleteIf it is ever legalized I would hate to be a wife involved in a plural marriage if one of the other wives decided to divorce and get out. There goes 1/3, 1/4, 1/8 of whatever you have when she leaves!
well the judge did graduate from BYU, goodby saniety
ReplyDeleteBeing a plig is being part of a cult, i;mnot good with wordsbut I can read, I see these 4 woman as having no self esteem, the kids are going to gro up confused as hell and will run to being a plig because its all they know and are comfortable with it, after thinking about it, I really dont care what they do, as long as they dont get one red cent from us, the taxpayers, if they want to suffer for there faith, good for them, but suffer witout my dime, i;m so sick of people like this, they think there intitled and we owe them, we owe them nothing, they joined this dam fairy tale religion, suffer with it, I love how there church just keeps changing the rules as it goes along, and how the fans just see them as a loving family, they dont see the Hillsdales, the COlorado citys, the warren jeffs,
ReplyDeleteI share your opinion, no matter how you say it. Truth is truth.
DeleteFairy tale religion...Hahaha Yep that pretty much sums it up!!
DeleteLet's overpopulate the earth w/ plyg kids so we can build our own army to spend eternity on our very own celestial kingdom!! ...SERIOUSLY??? I can't believe people actually fall hook,line, & sinker for this pile of BS >_<
Regular old poor families with lots of kids still get a lot of state money. If the family situation was legally recognized, and they, as a group have five adults and 17 kids, then they have just over three kids per adult.
ReplyDeleteThree kids per adult is kind of like a regular family with two parents and 6 kids.
If the regular family with 2 parents and 6 kids have a child five or under as part of their family, they can earn up to: $71,947/year 5,996/month in the state of Oregon and still get their WIC checks.
So for this family, that would essentially be 2 families of 8 plus one singe parent family of about 4, the maximum they could earn in a year and still receive government food assistance would be $186,000.
Almost $200,000 in income and still qualified for assistance, if their family status was legal and they lived in Oregon, based on Oregon's current income levels.
As it is...if Kody lived in Oregon, claimed he and Meri were raising all of his kids, and the other women happened to live in the house, their income could be $181,847 today, without any laws changing, and they would still receive assistance, based on a family of 8 plus the additional 15 people in their family at about $7000 each.
It's almost like the beast was designed to be bled, don't you think? They don't even have to lie or cheat to get the money.
The issue is almost less, "How many people can be married to each other?" than "How many kids can one family be allowed to have?" And I don't know...but that seems like a dangerous question to let the government answer...
Either way, when I had two kids under five and was on wic, the check was bigger than I could actually spend. We had a list of foods we were allowed to buy with it, milk cheese, nuts, fresh produce (even from the farmers market) and cereals. But try as I might, buying everything on the list, I still didn't spend as much money as they gave me to spend. Pity I couldn't have kept the change...I'd have invested it in a college fund. ; P
The beast was already bled dry. We're well beyond bankcrupt. Pity indeed. Such a waste.
DeleteThey could reap over 2000 a month in Nevada on food stamps.
ReplyDeleteHey Anon at 2:46 - where this is a plyg there is a way to rip off the state to be sure.
DeleteWIC is not the same as Food Stamps or Public Assistance. Low-income families who meet a variety of requirements--such as income per family member, employment status and citizenship--are eligible for food stamps, regardless of sex, age or marital status. This is different from the WIC program, which is geared toward the nutrition of women, infants and children. Often used by women who are pregnant or have small children, WIC provides certain items off a small list of products to meet the needs of pregnant women and babies. Food stamps have a broader product range than WIC.
DeleteRead more: Difference Between WIC & Food Stamps | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_7337687_difference-between-wic-food-stamps.html#ixzz2I9lnSzla
Different name, same thing. Bleed the taxpayers.
DeleteWic is diferent because it requires the recepient to take nutritian classes breastfeeding classes and requires the children be weighed tested for anemia and focuses on the fetus, infants, and toddlers getting the proper nutrients for optimal growth at the most critical time. I would rather pay for this than have under developed children to try and educate later.
DeleteI hope they don't take even more money from the state of Utah!
ReplyDeleteI suspect this lawsuit against the state of Utah may be a reason that the Browns remain in Nevada. I would not want to live in a state that I'm suing, especially if that state is aware that I'm doing something illegal. I'd essentially be a sitting duck. I believe that the Browns are involved in a number of scams that haven't come to light yet, but the state of Utah may be aware of them.
DeleteWonder who's paying the legal fees? If the lawyer is doing it pro bono I doubt he'll be invited over to Meri's McMansion so he can admire the hubby room, french doors and wetbar.
ReplyDeleteIf I understand it correctly, the lawsuit is not about making plural marriage legal per say... it's just about changing the law so that it's not ILlegal to practice plural marriage. They aren't wanting the state of Utah to legally recognize Janelle's, Christine's and Robyn's "marriages" - they just don't want it to be a crime. That way they aren't breaking the law by living the way they do.
ReplyDeleteYes, and then, the Spirit wives visa vee baby mamas can always get welfare when needed.
DeleteThey are only doing this because once the TLC gravy train stops they will lose those homes in LV. They are just covering the rear ends for when they will have to return to their home in Lehi.
DeleteAnon 5:25
DeleteThat is exactly the truth.
wonder if it will be on next season. this will give contrary meri and sobby robyn something to cry about
ReplyDeleteThey certainly made a HUGE deal of the get away on the show, but then bloopered it when they said on a show no, they didn't run, they wanted out for other reasons. I saw the clip on the blog here somewhere. REALLY made them out to look as hypocrites, and a potential problem for their case.
DeleteI do not think we will see one thing about the lawsuit on the show.
That's right, they said we have to go because there was police driving by their house and they were being investigated. So now that it's in the courtroom are they just brushing it off? You would think they would be more involved if they wanted to have their lifestyle legalized. I guess now that they are living the high life in Vegas they just can't be bothered anymore. Once TLC has no more use for them and they are cancelled they won't be able to get state help because they said publically Kody is the father of all seventeen kids. I see a big wake up call in the near future and some REAL TEARS from Meri and Robyn.
DeleteBecause - I bet if they make a big fat hairy deal about the police drivebys in Lehi and the records are pulled (which is what I would do if I were the state) the record will show that the police were called BY THE BROWNS to get rid of the papps that were hanging out in front of their house trying to get candid shots of the fam. In fact I hope that DOES come out...since this is a key point of their lawsuit against Utah.
DeleteI wish someone arguing the case would come and look at the tape of them saying they didn't leave out of fear.
DeleteCJ maybe we could do a whole post on suggestions of inconsistencys from SW for the Utah states attorney and judge.
DeleteI don't understand why they just did'nt wait it out and then move back to their beloved Utah?
ReplyDeleteYes save over 1.6 mil on 4 new houses and pay off your Utah house. Add a hobby room for Robyn and forget about the wetbar.
DeleteSo Meri, Robyn and Janelle all tweeted and retweeted about jewelry on their website being on "back order" yet the only thing that currently shows up as Out of Stock on their site is their 2012 ornament. Are they still allowing people to place orders for everything else, even though they are out of inventory for at least some of it? I guess so.
ReplyDeleteMeri tweeted that she really needs a haircut, but she is just too busy to get one. Isn't Robyn's live-in nanny (step-sister) a "hair school" graduate? Save your family some money and have her give you a trim.
ReplyDeletetoo busy??? doing what?? that's an insult to truly busy and PRODUCTIVE people who STILL can manage to get a haircut. i'm sure it's more that she's trying to schedule it together with Lover since they go to the same stylist and share the same bowl of color mixed up.
DeleteMaybe she's helping pour a cement pad with Janelle.
DeleteOr she's babysitting Truely so Christine can go to her job.
I'll bet she's looking after Super Sol so Sobbin' can work on her designs or get her nails done or practice playing the guitar or learn how to use her new camera.
No, she's probably making a bunch of pastries. She's stocking her freezer so when she entertains, they'll be ready to stock her wetbar.
I know - she's slathering on some self-tanner, "Oompa-Loompa Orange"!long-sleeved tees and ill-fitting tank tops.
Poor Meri! With all of this stuff on her plate, she's swamped!
Or she's going through her sisterwives' closets, looking for some
Are they planning on suing the state so they make even more unearned money?
ReplyDeleteAccording to Honey Boo Boo's mom, they get $18K an episode, of which she has accounts set up for the kids that they can't touch except for college until they are 21. She doesn't even see the checks, TLC makes the deposits and sends her the statement.
ReplyDeleteWonder what type of accounts the Browns set up for their kids?
Yes from what I read, Kate Gosselin said she had set up trust funds for her kids - but it came out during the divorce that she was fibbing. I'm just saying.
DeleteAnd the articles I read don't quote mama June as giving the amounts - the articles are basically guessing the amounts.
The Gosselin kids did have a trust set up.
DeleteAround the time TLC sued Jon Gosselin and Kate & Jon divorced, a PA Dept of Labor letter was posted online which noted that a trust was to be set up for the kids. Kate did it, BUT it was done just before the letter was released (kinda fishy timing, IMO). What is sad about the trust is that the funds can be used for the education, medical needs, and "care" of the kids. In other words, Kate can be using the money the kids earned to pay for private school tuition, nannies, babysitters, vacations,, etc, etc. By the time the kids reach the age of maturity, it could be all gone.
But from what I read - and I might be wrong on this since I don't follow the Gosselin saga - Kate had said that this had been done already...well prior to the divorce. and clearly since she can go in and "dip" prior to them coming of age, well it's not really a trust fund in the sense I think of a trust fund as being - savings for higher education or to be given to a child after the come of a certain age. Also from what I read (Not sure if this is a reliable source) there is maybe $10k for each child in the trust. Not even enough to pay for a semester or two of higher education.
DeleteI'm sure Mama June has followed the Gosselins and other families, and knows just what to say to get the favor of the fans. the term "trust fund" is so generic, because there are so many different types of trust funds, the irrevocable type and then the kind like what Kate G set up, where she can dip into the funds as much as she likes. also IMO, from what I've seen of HBB (can't watch much as the type of humor in the show turns my stomach) there is no amount of money to compensate for the damage she is doing to her kids, making them laughingstocks, not teaching them manners...etc...Manners IMO are vital in order to make it in the world. Whatever trust funds the HBB children end up with, it is NOT going to be enough to set them up for life, maybe enough to get them through some higher education, although at this stage I would be amazed if they graduate from high school.
The madcap exodus from Lehi to Las Vegas was pure *fake drama TV.*
ReplyDeleteThat was a turning point for many viewers...watching the ridiculous, *staged frenzy* of stuffing the vans and cars in mock panic-mode as if the Feds were already bearing down on them to handcuff Kody before they "got out of Dodge"....THAT was the telling moment of what these people were all about !!!
Keep in mind there were **16** children, from teenagers down to a very young toddler, who had be to dragged through such an unbelievable farce.
Who would do that to their children !!!???
Oh yeah, the adults all played up their mock horror very well...and yes, including Janelle !!
They all played it up as they told all those children, with supposedly 3 days notice, they all had to flee so that Daddy Dearest wouldn't be arrested.
What kind of *parents* would mess with children's minds like that ???
And...if it were even remotely true, what parent would want their children to be filmed while hearing such frightening news?
Again, who would do such a thing to their kids??
Obviously, parents who more interested in ratings and $$$$$ !!
And then later, once they are all cozy in their not-shabby-at all, separate rental houses, there is a TV couch chat where it is revealed that "Kody always wanted to move to LV and we came here for other reasons too"....while all of them nod with a sh*t-eating grin on their faces....and yes, including Janelle.
Easy to see now that once the TLC money was reliably coming in, and once Sobbin was wife # 4 and there really was no room for her in their Utah plyg habatrail house...and with TLC really wanting some blockbuster scenarios to the show keep it going....
Kody and his harem thought, "Hey, with all this money coming in why are we living in this dump....lets' go to Vegas where KodyKing wants to go..and we all can get our own houses."
No doubt between the plyg groups they were connected to cheering them on, and F8/TLC wanting new and more drama...the idea for the faux-forced move AND the lawsuit was created.
Word! And more WORD!!
DeleteThis is spot-on. Worse even than Drake the dog being put down on tv was the crying faces of the children when their "dad" told them that they had to pack and leave in three days. Barely enough time to throw your possesions in a suitcase, much less time to say goodbye to friends. That was just such an awful thing to do and then to televise it to make a buck is sick behavior and shows ZERO consideration for the feelings of those kids. THEN to admit that it was in Kodester's plans all along...makes me furious on behalf of the kids.
Wonder which Brown child will be the first to write their own book? Can't wait to read it.
Magic Undies, I so totally agree with you. You don't have to convince me, because we're singing the same chorus in unison.
ReplyDeleteMy opinion of how many sex partners someone has is for when there are no children involved. I don't care what consenting adults do with other consenting adults. Have multiple partners, polyandry, polyfidelity, polywollydoole, polyeverything. When you decide you want kids - everything changes.
Anonymous, congratulations on your sweet baby! I'm glad she found a loving home!!
It is horrid that women and children are seen as property or as less-than equal in cultures like these (China and polygamous ones, as well as others). Polygamy is illegal in this country, plain and simple.
I really hope Utah can find a way to block Kody & Krew from being able to win on this suit. The narcissistic reckless of contiuing to have children they cannot afford nor provide adequate resources for (food, money, love reasonable parental surpervision)while exploiting the lives of those same minor children instead of getting a job and doing real work to make a living is egregious IMO. I imagine Kody and baby-mamas seated around the wet bar for a family meeting:"Let's bleed the beast for a while, then go on TV for a while after filing for multiple bankruptcies in preparation for having more children before starting the cycles all over again!"
ReplyDeletethey need to male plural marriage legal. The criminal aspect of it contributes the kind of secrecy where abuse breeds. Also, it will mean more fathers are responsible for feeding their own children ins read of the USDA food stamp program.
ReplyDeleteLisa, I know that the "secrecy breeds abuse" argument is used to support legalization, but in my experience many polygamists live apart from mainstream because they think that they can stay pure and righteous that way (uncontaminated by the wicked "world"), not because they are afraid of being prosecuted. Legalization won't change that mindset. In addition, three of the worst sexual abusers that I became aware of in the polygamist group I belonged to, all lived in suburbia. As to the welfare useage, polygamists can use welfare legally and as long as men keep having huge families they can't support, they will keep on using welfare whether polygamy is legal or not.
DeleteAll relgions have skeletons in the closet. However, mainstream religions that are accepted by society can get away with things that this one must keep in secret. This idea of having many children is not new, many cultures beieve that they must not prevent having as many children as they can to populate the world......Catholism comes to mind.
DeleteCan we not turn this into a religion bashing session? Correct me if I'm wrong CJ or MS but I don't think that is what this blog is for.
DeleteWell, Lisa, go tell your Utah legislators to take out of the Utah constitution. That's the thing about laws, they can be changed. But no one actually supports out loud this hot mess of abuse and fraud, except the Browns, hooray!
DeleteCan we not turn this into a religion bashing session? Correct me if I'm wrong CJ or MS but I don't think that is what this blog is for.
DeleteI've reviewed almost all of the comments and I'm seeing a lot of great discussions - sharing of opinions and thoughts. But I'm not seeing religion bashing. The discussions so far have been within the scope of the blog's purpose: To discuss Polygamy in our society.
I hope the judge says the law is valid and utah puts some enforcement into it. It would be great if the whole thing backfired on these clowns.
ReplyDeleteexplyg, just reading your post makes me feel more anger toward this group of people, I cannot for the life of me fathom what goes through the brains of these nitwits, I have watched videos of Colorado City and its like watching a third world country, Babys and children that mysteriously die with no autospys, since the ME;s are probably pligs themselves, buried in what amounts to junk yards, kids that are nothing but a tool to get the plig his own planet to rule, who the hell belives this crap, and the woman, so low in self estem, that I wonder how many havent eaten a lead pill to escape the severe depression they have to feel, if it werent for the new found fame of teh Browns, i;m sure one or two of these woman would have checked out by now, they sold out there so called religion, they continue to pull the wool over the eyes of those rabid fans who adore them and there lifestyle, I love the ones that say, although I could never live like that I admire you, WTF, God I cannot stand any of them
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, all the madness is based on the idea that this is God's will, and what a travesty that is!
Deletehow can anyone admire that kreepy krody, the way he shakes that hair like a young stud. and he is always running like he is on krack. and that robot robyn, she looks like houstace on that cartoon,courage the cowardly dogwith her profile. I think they were happy in Utah before he got with robyn. I am sure meri contrary will get the first pool. she will have it filled up with tears before the end of next season. pull the plug on his weirdo ass .
ReplyDeleteYou make very valid points Anon at 10:09. All religions have unbelievable "fantasy" about them, but this one more unbelievable than most. If there wasn't a compliant government to "bleed", this cult would soon disappear.
ReplyDeleteRobyn tweeted that she's been "cheating on Twitter with Pinterest". I'm on Pinterest. but have never looked someone up to try to follow them. Can someone tell me how to find the SWs on Pinterest. I'm so very interested to see what they find cute, attractive, appealing and speshul.
ReplyDeleteRobyn's pinterest is under the name 'Robyn Sullivan'. I couldn't find any other Sister Wives, but Mariah and Aspyn are on there. Just do a search at the top, and then click on PINNERS.
DeleteA mother of four, who claims to be soooo busy with her jewelry business, has time for twitter and pinterest?
DeleteIn the SEACH box, type 'Robin Sullivan'. All pins that say Robin Sullivan (or that have those words in the description) stuff will get displayed. You will also have three choices at this point...PINS, BOARDS, or PINNERS. Click on PINNERS, and Robyn will come up. You don't have to have a Pintreat account to nose around on Pintrest, either. (Heh, heh, heh!)
DeleteIf her pinboards make her a Twitter-cheater, what does hooking up with a married man with two other girlfriends make her? Well, it makes HIM a cheater, and her an idiot, but she was THAT before Pintrest.
I looked under Robyn Sullivan, but none of the profile pictures are her. There are 4 that don't have a profile pictures, but after looking at their pages, those don't seem like her either. Hmmm
Deleteher picture is big as day on her profile. aspyn and mykeltie follow her.
DeleteHere's another possible reason they "fled" to Nevada, NO INCOME TAX!!
ReplyDeleteAll this polygamy nonsense - can we just call it what it is? Penis-sharing.
ReplyDeleteI read this and got a really good laugh! You said EXACTLY what I've been thinking but couldn't bring myself to say. Thanks!!
DeleteBTW, I love this blog. Just found it about a week ago and I'm addicted!
I imagine Kody and a wife or two will go to utah for the hearing. TLC will be filming and kodouche will tear up about his first trip back since the forced exodus ....
ReplyDeleteThere has been nothing on the show so far about the lawsuit so I do not see it ever being on the show. It is apart of the lives that occurred due to being public and they do not show aspects of their lives that have changed due to the show.
Deleteyou mean for his first trip back for the 4th time?
DeleteCorrect. Sarcasm intended. (-:
DeleteGood Morning All: The Pros and Cons of plyg - What is NV's law re Common Law Marriages?? After two or three welfare pregnancies and deliveries - would think the gals would have their tubes tied and the guys snipped.
ReplyDeleteRemember back in high school, certain guys were the stud of the class? Bore little
responsibility to consequences!
The only thing certain in this world is change and there hasn't been too much in this category. Love reading the comments.
For those of you that are curious about Mykelti's leaving traditional HS to attend College HS, I live in Las Vegas and have a daughter in HS. Yesterday I received a brochure in the mail for College of Southern Nevada High School.
ReplyDeleteA few interesting tidbits in the brochure:
"College of Southern Nevada High School is a unique opportunity for those in the 11th & 12th grade to complete high school while attending college for free, with a support system to help them achieve their goals."
-Free tuition for 12 college credits each fall and spring semester students attend CSNHS
-Full-time high school teachers for core high school courses and proficiency tutoring
What are the requirements?
-GPA
-Level of courses completed
-Test scores
-Current teacher recommendations
-Dean's recommendation
-Student essays
-Attendance/behavior records
I don't think my daughter is interested in attending, but it sounds like a great opportunity for kids whose parents can't afford college and a way for the kid to fast-track their way into a university.
Also, if she is not happy or feeling uncomfortable at her current High School...it's a good way for her to finish her high school education without going to her local public high school with the benefits of also getting college credits. I say it's a WIN WIN!
DeleteI have mixed feelings about the lawsuit. On the one hand, I don't approve of a man having multiple "wives" (or sex partners), and I don't approve of anyone having a child they can't afford. On the other hand, these things happen even without polygamy. They are not asking for legal recognition of a polygamous marriage; they are asking that it not be illegal for a man to live with multiple partners.
ReplyDeleteIf government aid wasn't involved, this would be a no-brainer; how can we tell people how to live? (Especially since the children ARE well cared for; I don't think anyone can allege child neglect.) But I don't like the idea of people procreating without being able to afford the consequences... that's what really annoys me.
The fact that the law is rarely enforced is an additional wrinkle. It will be interesting to see what the court decides.
Ellen,
DeleteI see your point but the idea that they are not wanting to make the marriages legal offends me because of the following: 1) If Kody dies, only one wife has legal entitlement to any of his insurances; 2) When the women are retirement age, which of the four will draw on Kody's social security; 3) because the marriages aren't legal, Kody isn't legally responsibile for the children as evidenced by his lack of financial support to his illigitamate children.
What this all boils down to is if the marriages are not legal, then the concubines and the children of the Kody and his concubines are left to become wards of the state at one or more times in their lives and I don't know about you but I am opposed to our government allowing this to go on. Also, he says they are married so man up and treat those women as your wives and pay for their households and not just Mari's. The example he sets for his children is not good and so what other people do this--but other people are not on TV trying to tell us how great their lives are.
Kody is responsible for his kids, regardless of the relationships with their moms. He hasn't given up custody, therefore he is responsible for them until they are 18, and maybe older if they are in college. As far as retirement goes, only Meri can collect on his SS.
DeleteIlovepoppies,
Deleteif he were responsible for his kids, why were so many of those kids' moms collecting welfare, foodstamps, and childcare assistance on them? Also, if the other three wives are "married" to him, why shouldn't they be allowed to collect his SS? So the push for the Browns to have their marriages allowed but not made legal brings into my mind a question of why not make them legal. Why go through the expense of a lawsuit if your thing is just leave us alone. From all I could see, no one was botherering them unless they were going to get in trouble for welfare fraud.
I agree with the people who think the lawsuit is for show, to put Kody and his glorious mane in a semi-perpetual spotlight. It probably started out as a storyline, but I wonder if they're backing away from that. Wouldn't the adults be culpable for fraud?
DeleteWhat I meant is that he is legally responsible for his kids. I doubt that now that they have come out to the world, that the wives could claim that they don't know who the father is. And 3 of the marriages are spiritual marriages, which are not recognized by the government, only Meri's is, she is the only wife that can collect his SS. There is a way to get around this though, if Kody had divorced Meri after 10 years and then married either Janelle or Christine, stayed married another 10 years and then married the other, they all could collect his SS.
DeleteDo you we know for a fact that he hasn't paid child support? We don't really know what his previous income was. He may have been claiming all of them, but because of his income wasn't able to pay enough for each child to keep them above the poverty line.
DeleteJust because you aren't legally married to the mother, doesn't make you any less legally responsible for the children.
DeleteI don't think Kody cares enough about Janelle, Christine, and Robyn to do that.... IMO
DeleteI agree Iconic.
DeleteShe must have seen the blog about her and pinterest and took off her profile, shes a rascally rabbit thats for sure
ReplyDeleteOr she has made her pinterst profile private.
DeleteIf you go to Aspyn's board go to following and Robyn's Pinterest is still up. I was just there and saw their inspirations for design haha
DeleteChecked it out, hmmmm I guess those photos of other people's designs are what Robyn is planning to knock off and sell at inflated prices on MSWC at some point. lol
DeleteI finally found it by searching for Aspyn's pinterest page. It's strange that it doesn't come up in a regular search though.
DeleteShe's pinned a few cute things, but I had the same thought about the "ideas for new projects" ones.
I checked out her pinterest also.......after reading a comment on another post here. Seemed like another 'hey that was mentioned on SWB and now they are talking about it' moment. I actually started following here after seeing her inspiration board. :-/ I went to her facebook page also and checking out her friends.....is it coincident that their Realtors maiden name seems to be Brown????? Or has that been addressed before?
DeleteOK, so now we know, from Pinterest, what is coming to MSWC - another ripped off ring, aprons, and some kind of wall art with the word "love." Sobbin is an awesome "designer." No wonder she needs a nanny to take care of her kids while she is "working" so hard.
DeleteHow is it legal for all of the SWs except Meri to use "Brown" as their surnames? Meri has the only legal marriage, so it seems dishonest for the other wives to be legal Browns.
ReplyDeleteChristine and Janelle Legally changed their last name to Brown. Robyn, last to my knowledge, was still a Sullivan.
DeleteHow does one legally change their last name, especially when it's based on the fact that you claim to be married to a man who is already legally married to someone else? Is it just that easy to change your last name? Just curious.
DeleteYes it is that easy. People come into court and do it all the time for any number of reasons. One question that is asked is if you are doing it to hide something or defraud, but I have only seen one person turned down and that was due to his felony status
DeleteDon't know how to copy tweets here, but has anyone seen the one showing some sort of locked cabinet behind a mirror that houses what looks like a rife of sorts, two handguns, and God know what else? Kody responds by saying, "that is a must have!"
ReplyDeleteI saw that tweet...it's a gun safe. I can just imagine the arsenal Kody has but I hope it is safely housed in a gun safe that is not so obvious!
DeleteHmm...how much does Kody remind us of Stewie on Family Guy?
DeleteStewie has a hidden weapons arsenal in his bedroom. Stewie has a weird head. Stewie seems very gay. Stewie hates the dog....
Ok. I will be one to say that I hope they win the law suit and polygamy is legalized. I don't see a polygamous marriage any different than a marriage between two men or two women which is legal in parts of this country already. Maybe the fraud will even decrease.
ReplyDeleteThe only issue is that the fundamental Mormon polygamists do not want polygamy to be legalized, they want decrimminalization instead.
DeleteI think there's a huge difference between polygamy and gay marriage, which puts equal power into the hands of both partners. Polygamy undermines the equality of women. In polygamy only the man can take another partner. Only he can divorce any woman in the marriage, while the women can only divorce him and have no real say about the new partners he wants to introduce to the mix. There is the inherent instability of a plural arrangement. Gay marriage is much more akin to monogamy - two committed partners - with no set-up for one of them to have sole rights to introduce another partner at any moment. Children thrive on stability, and if daddy can bring a new woman home when he feels like it, then children lose that stability - not to mention the time that is needed to establish secure relationships with both parents. Polygamy spreads all resources very thin - emotional and financial. Daddy being on the lookout for new wives distracts from taking care of the wife and children he already has.
DeletePardon my ignorance but what is the difference between legalization and decriminalization?
ReplyDeleteFound this on another website:
DeleteTo put it simply, “legalization” is the process of turning a particular action into being legal. For example, legalization of prostitution means that patrons no longer have to hide whenever they seek the services of a prostitute. The act becomes completely legal and is just as acceptable as the purchase of gum or candy in a retail store. All the punishment and consequences attributed to the act are no longer in effect.
On the other hand, “decriminalization” means that the criminal penalties attributed to the act are no longer in effect. Coming back to the original example, decriminalization of prostitution means that individuals found committing the act would be exposed to lesser penalties like a fine or a special permit. In this case, if prostitution is decriminalized, then individuals engaged in the business would need to have an official approval from the government in order to operate OR be fined if they are caught doing it. Some individuals are of the opinion that the decriminalization of an act reflects the changing social values of a society. For example, should prostitution be decriminalized, then this means that more and more people are learning to accept the presence of the industry. Consequently, it is taken as a hint that a decriminalized act has the possibility of being legalized after some years.
Decriminalization means no one can be prosecuted for polygamy (Pointless in Utah anyway since it has a policy of non-prosecution). Legalization means that a polygamist can marry any number of women he want to and have legal marriages with them all. The Browns know that the first is much easier to get passed, and that it is the first step towards legalization. The Dargers are openly pro legalization.
ReplyDeleteThis is a complicated case.
ReplyDeleteHowever, it is plain to see FOR NOW they want decriminalization, next step, legalization. Many a polygamist will disagree on the legalization, only the real men in my book will want to take on that responsibility. At least Joe Darger wants all his marriages recognized, and would accept that responsibility. How on earth could the FLDS handle that? They change those poor women and children around like something I have never seen.
That's another great reason to make it legal. As cheap as these people are, they would be thinking twice about reassignments wouldn't they? Divorce is costly.
DeleteExcellent Point SadViewer. My divorce costed in the thousands. Just imagine going through multiple ones. Legalization would also force the fathers on the children's birth certificate therefore any split later on those children would be supported. Wonder how they would be able to abuse the welfare system afterwards.
DeleteIn at least some states, the the man can be required to submit DNA evidence to determine if he is the father.
DeleteIf it was legal, then each wife in a plural marriage would get a marriage certificate and be part of the decision to pull the plug when the husband turns vegetable.
DeleteThe whole First Wife power would diminish, since the first wife really has no more standing than any of the others.
Responsibility for all the children would fall to the father...legally.
This might spell the end of fundie Mormon polygamy.
Good points... which is why I doubt that they would be lined up for legal marriages. They would just continue on; no one could *make* them take responsibility or get married. The secrecy, lies, fraud and abuse would continue regardless of legality.
DeleteAndreaF, That's exactly right.
DeleteI saw a posting on a previous thread by someone named explyg. I would enjoy hearing more, or should I say learning more, from you. I hope you come back and help us understand more of the dynamics of the family situations are.
ReplyDeleteWhile we wait for word on what's happening on the Brown's lawsuit today, here's an interesting item I saw on their MSWC facebook page.
ReplyDeleteSeems the sisterwives have a not so happy customer. As she puts it "Am patiently waiting for the ring I ordered or an email or something. You got my money where's my ring?"
Being that Meri and Kody were spotted at Disneyland a couple of days ago, somebody has dropped the ball. But not very surprising...makes you wonder how many other customers are like this lady who have ordered from MSWC, been billed, and still haven't received it. Let's hope this customer contacts her credit card company immediately to get her money back!
So far no answer from a sisterwife or MSWC representative.
oh lordy lordy have mercy!! i just ventured over to that FB page and feel like i entered the Twilight Zone w/their insane posts and fan comments. What world do those people live in???
Deleteand wth's the apron the sister wives posted about on December 20th they just got in and are all excited about putting on their MSWC website ASAP? It's been a month already! It's a freakin' simple apron for hell's sake!
and some fan ACTUALLY designed/sewed/mailed them a wrestling face mask for GRODY w/that goddawful pawprint logo on it? LMAO
so many fans there slobbering and begging for a SW cookbook cause they just KNOW they're great cooks and it would be a sellout! i guess none of them have been to their SW recipe page already to find out these women don't have a clue how to fix an edible and healthy meal after 20+years of marriage and a big family. not to mention the unhealthy weight of the majority of them!
DeleteWe need to make aprons like that other person said "Kiss the Crook" and "Kiss the Kook" or something, so funny!
DeleteCJ, I'm surprised they didn't take it down? They must really not be doing anything on there right now. I think if they knew it was there they would have immediately taken it down, tweeted some crap about being ontop of stuff, and emailed that person for damage control...
DeleteHere are the comments copied from the RHOA post.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous January 17, 2013 at 8:33 PM
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55643460-78/waddoups-polygamy-utah-jensen.html.csp Me thinks the fix is in, of course the judge is a graduate of BYU
Paw Print January 17, 2013 at 8:45 PM
"U.S. District Judge Clark Waddoups peppered a state lawyer on why he shouldn't throw out Utah's bigamy law. It's stricter than the laws in 49 other states — most of them prohibit people from having multiple marriage licenses. Utah makes it illegal to even purport to be married to multiple partners or live together.
What if Kody Brown kept separate households for each wife, or was just having affairs, the judge asked.
"That would not be polygamy," said Assistant Utah Attorney General Jerrold Jensen."
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/sister-wives-lawsuit-back-utah-courtroom
Read the last two sentences again....
What if Kody Brown kept separate households for each wife, or was just having affairs, the judge asked.
"That would not be polygamy," said Assistant Utah Attorney General Jerrold Jensen."
WOW.
Peanut Butter Fritos January 17, 2013 at 9:09 PM
Wow, the Dargers were at the big hearing on the Browns' lawsuit and they couldn't even be bothered to show up. Nice one, Kody.
https://twitter.com/natecarlisle
The Browns did not attend the hearing. Their attorney, George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley, contends they are still at risk of being prosecuted in Utah.
DeleteApparently Mr Turley must have missed watching the episode when Kody and Meri traveled back to Lehi to take care of poor Drake. Or when Kody and families went on their road trip to Carthage and made a stop at the pawnshop in Utah. Or any of the other numerous times Kody has ventured back into Utah.
Let's hope the judge will notice what we have - that Kody didn't look concerned about a risk of prosecution at all on film. Maybe Kody's afraid Utah will arrest him on the grounds of having a bad haircut...
I see the judge was referring to all the women as "wives" So much for a learned person of the law. Glad I do not live in Utah or have to practice law there. The times I have been there I did not want to stay as I got a creepy "vibe."
Deleteoops, the quote I used was from the Salt Lake Tribune article. Here's the url again:
Deletehttp://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55643460-78/waddoups-polygamy-utah-jensen.html.csp
Good point, Cynical Jinx.
DeleteI would like to see in a few days a more in depth report here, stating which side each important character is really on, Seems the judge just doesn't get it.
IF polygamy were to be decriminalized, should it not have many safe holds in place as far as education, welfare, etc.... (child marriages) and the difference shown between a few baby moms and thinking your life depends on your husband calling your name? This needs a bit sorting out. Even Baby Moms have a responsibility to give their child a decent education, and so on.
Seems this will really go no where.
I don't see how Kody can have it both ways - either he has them as wives = polygamy and it shouldn't matter if they have marriage licences or not, or he's just a cheating male-slut and collects women and babys that he has no intention of supporting emotionally and finacially.
DeleteWhich is it? And the Judge should have to watch all of the Sisterwives series - every agonizing episode.
Lol anon12:36 lol everty agonizing episode. Love it!
DeleteExcellent point Cynical Jinx!
DeleteSuch hypocrites.
I don't care for either the Browns or the Dargers religion, but I can respect that Joe Darger was not afraid to show up for what he believed in, and show his character.
AFRAID? oh please. How many times to Disney has Kody been lately? A count? It is ridiculous that a man who cries about money goes at least once a month.
Anonymouse- YES, every agonizing episode, you got it!
DeleteYou'd think at least Christine herself would have appeared since she's not only been a public spokesman for polygamy for years, after all - she's VERY VERY VERY VERY good friends of the Dargers. Don't good friends support each other? Hell, the Dargers were there in support of the Browns!! Browns are HUGE hypocrites in actions vs. words.
DeleteI know this is OT, but I thought it was interesting but not surprising, that yesterday when the Brown's lawsuit's opening arguments were heard that no Browns attended, but 2 of the Darger wives were there!
ReplyDeletePar for the course for the Browns to start something and not follow through. The Dargers, impressed me as people who don't just talk the talk. but also walk it and sure enough - they're the ones who gave interviews and appeared in court yesterday.
That was probably by design. That attorney probably wishes the dargers were his clients instead of the sausage top krew. The dargers do a muvh better interview.
DeleteOMG, "the sausage top krew" LOL
DeleteFox news report:
ReplyDelete“They’re talking about my life,” Valerie Darger, a plural wife, told FOX 13. “The thing that’s different about what we’re asking for is the right to exist and the right to be left alone. We’re not seeking marriage licenses, and so, as far as legal marriage goes, it doesn’t really pertain.”
BUT it does pertain to many underage child brides forced in marriage, which the law chooses to do nothing about now... almost a child slavery. Bring them up uneducated, socially stunted, and marry them off and have them pregnant... how hard would that be to climb out of?
I just want to clarify something regarding judicial review for the folks worried about the judge being bias and pro-Browns. Court cases involving alleged violation of rights, especially rights guaranteed by the bill of rights, will receive a stricter standard of review. The precedent established by the Supreme Court indicates that cases involving marriage, pro-creation, religion, and free speech (to name a few) will receive the highest level of judicial review. Therefore, the STATE (not the plaintiff) must prove that it has compelling interest to violate/impede upon a person's rights. AKA the government better have a damned good reason for violating a person's rights. In cases that do not merit stricter scrutiny, the victim/plaintiff/attorney/etc must prove that the government has wronged or violated his/her rights in a certain way.
ReplyDeleteNow...states do not have to follow the same standard of review as the Supreme Court, but most do. I think what we are actually seeing in the Brown's case is Judge Waddoups adhering to the strict scrutiny precedent, and thus challenging the state to prove that there is still a compelling and necessary reason to keep polygamy decriminalized. Personally, regardless of whether or not I think someone's lifestyle or the case at hand is copacetic, I want judges approaching cases and the state with a degree of skepticism when a persons constitutional rights are involved.
Okay, I have to comment on the Disney obsession. Does anyone know who, or if anyone accompanied Kodpiece & MMQC to Disney? Were there children along? You know, since it's targeted as a place for kids. I do not get the Browns obsession with Disney. It's only the Happiest Place On Earth if you have money to burn. I'm beginning to believe they have a combined IQ that equates to tepid bath water.
ReplyDeleteShouldn't Meri and the other Merry Band Of Browns be organizing their mansions? I would think Meri would need to get that wet bar stocked and ready for upcoming entertainment season.
In response to CJs comment regarding the browns billing the card before items are shipped. I knew it.
ReplyDeleteAnd the aprons? Anyone want to place bets on how expensive they will be??? I just got one from Sur La Table, marked down from $34.95 to $16.99. The most expensive regular priced apron on the SLT website is $49.95. I'd be willing to bet that the SW aprons will be very pricey. with the dog paw. and a 5 week delivery window.
they will be ugly and expensive. and out of stock. and make poor Meri cry about all the back orders and e-mails she can't handle. more bogus b.s. drama about b.s. nothing.
DeleteFor me Turley lost all credibility when he stated the lost boys was a "myth". So many boys were on different talk shows including 1 was on sister wives. How can anyone believe or respect him?
ReplyDeleteHighly insulting to all the lost boys there in Utah for sure. Incredible. They for sure exist and it sucks. Hope a news journalist gets some of them to appear on national TV.
DeleteCan you point us to a place where Turley said the lost boys was a myth?
Deleteanony 4:15 - it's true that Turley said it. i heard it on several news channels today as well as you can google and find it in print. here's one for ya:
Delete"Turley said Utah has to prove the harm of polygamy, not assert general statements. He argued the exile of young boys was a myth and that Utah was trying to enforce morality."
http://www.wral.com/federal-court-hears-sister-wives-lawsuit/11995987/
Wow, the lost boys are a myth? Ignoring the plethora of available documentation that they do exist, how does Turley explain the simple mathematics of a polygamous Mormon community? How can one man have five wives without there being four men who do not have wives? Unless, I suppose, we're to assume that four bachelors do go without wives, and neither the community nor the bachelors themselves see this as problematic. Another possibility is that polygamous Mormons have a high number of female births, which would be a scientific phenomena worthy of study.
DeleteLost boys - a myth? What is this, Peter Pan?!? Note to the defense council: get serious.
DeleteI'm sure this issue will slowly be winding it's way to the Supreme Court anyway, (and I'm not a lawyer) but I guess I'm not understanding why this judge doesn't just rule against the Browns, let them appeal, and then let the land's highest court deal with it.
I don't see how the Brown and Dargar women can all 'legally' call themselves wives without the marriage licenses, and I'm not certain why the judge/attorney general would refer to them as such. That kind of bothers me, a lot. If I were in a courtroom, I couldn't just start calling myself someone's wife without a marriage certificate or appointing myself a lawyer without a law degree...why do the Browns get a pass?
Really, I feel ill just reading about the direction this lawsuit is taking.
agree, why all the vsits to Disneyland, do they have a plig ride we dont know about, or some kind of midway game where you win another wife if you can knock all 3 milk cans down with one ball, personnaly i think there all nuts
ReplyDeletePlig ride.....Lmao!! Hey I think maybe the fancy roller coasters could qualify as a "plig ride"... ;)
DeleteAnonymous 2:06: Tea through the nose snort! Plig ride was GREAT! And I can see them vying for their own plig midway game. Brilliant! Maybe Disney has installed a "Magic Undies" ride where you can only get on if you're wearing yours and the only way to access it is through the castle and some sort of veil...
DeleteLong time lurker, first time poster. I totally love this blog! I was so surprised when the ticker on my local tv news channel actually mentioned this case. In Toronto, Canada :O Have never heard of a fundy mormon plyg issue here.There is Bountiful in BC, but nothing I've heard of in Ontario. If we have plural marriages they tend to be associated with newcomers to Canada. Just shows how much awareness the Sister Wives show has created.
ReplyDeleteAs I see it, Kody has a job...a couple of the wives have jobs, and do you think the TV show isn't paying for the vacations,trips,etc??? They pay these people boo-coo monies for their performances....and I love watching them as do thousands of other Americans! That's where their $$ comes from!!!!
ReplyDeleteI love watching them as do thousands of other Americans!
DeleteIsn't that the problem? The network wants MILLIONS of people watching, not thousands!
They pay these people boo-coo monies for their performances
You're not serious, right? WHAT performances are you talking about?
do you think the TV show isn't paying for the vacations,trips,etc???
Yes, I do think the show isn't paying for the monthly trips to Disneyland, to Utah etc. Production companies don't work for free and networks like TLC don't pay production companies for vacations that ARE NOT FILMED!
Kody does not have a job...unless you consider impregnating Robyn a job. The jobs Christine and Janelle hold with the realty company probably pays the food costs...for one week.
I really think the reason Robyn wants to have a child for Meri is to strenthen their bond, to have someone with a child close in age to hers. She even stated Christine and Janelle are done having children. Maybe it is time for Robyn to make an effort to get closer to them, other than that little business, they are not interested in anyway.
ReplyDeleteWhat does Kody do besides run around like an idiot and his "wives" running after him. Who takes care of the kids? Do they pay taxes? Who would want to be with him after he has been with other women! Are the wives allowed to have sex with other men? Is there such a thing as brother-husbands? Kody acts like one of the kids instead of the husband. Are these people for real. TLC is scraping the barrel.
ReplyDeleteI have been watching the show... For myself I would not want to be in s Purl marriage...After watching the show I want to wish the Brown family all the happiness in their life style and all the best. Even with all their issues with such a large family that their seems to be a lot of good qualities in their family that even single families never find in their life time. Take care and I will keep watching
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