In 2011, the Sister Wives Blog started out as a place to talk about the TLC reality show "Sister Wives", Kody Brown and his wives Christine, Robyn, Meri and Janelle. Today we not only discuss the show, we discuss Polygamy in our society, and the public perceptions of the Mormon Religion. We discuss "Polygamy USA" and will be covering "My 5 Wives."
This blog is geared towards the adult reader, so please, no one under the age of 18 years. Thank you!
Is this not the sickest thing you have ever heard of? Take that back.... I forgot about the sex bed in a church. Sadly, if this is not a case for the welfare to step in, I pity those poor children. And it does become a case of WAKE UP PARENTS, when is enough enough?
What the heck is up with that? Why in the world are our prisoners being fed more than most people eat for their breakfast?
How many people in this country would love to have pancakes, syrup, oatmeal and scrambled eggs besides coffee and breakfast drink?
These people need to open their EYES and see that their children are being STARVED while Warren Jeffs is eating better than many people.
There are no words strong enough to describe what I feel for this man. FLDS children being force fed beans 2x a day and missing lunch is wrong! I want to go there and grab all those kids and bring them to my house.
It would be a cold day in HELL before I would force a child of mine to subsist just on beans and vitamins. How many of them are going to be getting sick? I have to stop - off the soapbox or I won't.
I don't care what orders were passed down, I would starve before I would see my child go hungry. Shame on these mothers. I do not feel sorry for them. Get these kids out of there!
These children will have lasting effects from this diet. There is a thing called appetite fatigue from eating the same thing over and over. Even if you are starving you will not want to eat it any more. It is most common among children and the elderly. So some of these children at this point are possibly not eating anything.
I know when I was young my mom served tater tots a few times a week for many years as I grew up. I still to this day will not eat a tater tot, I'd rather not eat (of course, I'm not starving).
I guess the mothers can't be seen at the store buying something other than beans. Do FLDS practice food storage like Mormans? If so perhaps some are adding to their children's diets with that. They would usually have flour, rice, oatmeal, powdered milk, and powdered fruit drink stored if that is the case.
It stinks that in those states officials seem to turn their heads to this kind of child abuse in the name of religious tolerance. I wonder if the kids even get regular doctor visits.
From everything I've read, FLDS seems like a perverse sex cult. Everyone's lives are run by a few select men. Women and children are abused, young girls married off, wives reassigned, teen boys run off. What a nightmare. No one with the education or financial means to escape.
Now, what kind of man, it doesn't have to even be a religious man, ANY MAN, WOULD ORDER SUCH A THING>? This is what happens when the government ignores some laws made to protect human rights. Now, it's a runaway train that the government or powers to be don't even know what to do with. Add that with a dose of not wanting to lose votes, and it is a lose lose situation for the same children that were picking pecans and not getting an education. This is AMERICA. Home of the free?
How can these mothers/fathers take that man seriously at this point?! They are so sick that they need to be saved from themselves, or at the very least, their children need to be saved from all of them!
It is absolutely appalling that this is happening in the United States...under the protection and the enabling of the government. Appalling !!!!!!!!!!
It is almost obscene to think of how much time wasted on watching and talking about people like the Kody Brown group and the Joe Darger group, when a twisted version of their belief system is holding children and brain-washed adults hostage to these insane edicts and abuse.
When *in reality* people like the Browns and Dargers and others like them should be up in arms AND advocating with all their means to help mitigate this horrible situation. At the very least, since they are in the public eye, they could/should make a statement instead of their usual vapid, self-serving tweets and me-me, us-us proclamations. This situation does reflect on them, however peripherally. The non-plyg public does not know the ins and outs of the many plyg variables. The Browns and the Dargers do. (despite what Christine claimed)
The public hears of "plyg" families....families with double digit numbers of children, siphoning of welfare subsidies including food stamps for the women, abuse and molestation of minors and all the other vile abuses in the radical sects.....and the public wonders WHY aren't the groups who are claiming *to be different* like the Browns and Dargers claim to be, not putting their energies and contacts into helping their fellow and sister plygs. These two families have the ear and eye of the mainstream public AND the media.....why not use it to help other plygs? Plygs who are in dire need of help and support.
Does their religion not believe in the "ministry" of helping those in need within their own religion??? Like other religions do??
Bless the K. Dee's of this world .....and thanks to SWB for spreading the word !!!
Yes! I agree with everything you said, and want to add that while I think it's fine that people like the Browns, they are PART OF THIS along with the other flds parasites. They and the Dargers seem to be part of the flds political machine, trying to convince us that their lifestyle is -- at best -- perfectly normal, and -- at worst -- none of our or the government's business. The leaders live like kings while the children suffer and WHO IS STOPPING IT??
I am so sick of the freaking "Hollywood" aspect of this cult. It is neither normal, nor none of our business. Someone has to help these children, because their piss-poor excuses for parents aren't, the Browns and Dargers sure aren't, the local and federal government aren't ... wtf!!! I have written emails, but only pray that it does dome good.
Meanwhile, how many laws have to be broken before something is done??? How can that bag of ass, Jeffs, be allowed to communicate with THESE PEOPLE who are his VICTIMS! Why are these children sacrificed for his pleasure?
We could all meet (incognito at first, like superheroes) and make our plans to bring the leaders/abusers/criminals to justice, and after our mission is complete we can do shows showing us helping the victims to become independent, productive members of society.
It seems that many that come here, like me, enjoy the humor and the discussion of the show. However, we MUST NOT just enjoy the lighter parts and not read posts such as these that are a basic human right being taken away from innocent children. This sickens me.
I completely agree. What the H*LL is wrong with those parents that they would abuse their children in this cruel manner? The kids bodies won't be developing properly and have years of potential illness/dental issues and disability ahead. I don't think a vitamin pill is going to be enough. What really makes me angry is that our country goes is more than likely making food drops to some 3rd World country, but isn't keeping tabs on the stuff happening on our own soil.(And another thing, with the Food Stamp assistance, I call that fraud.)
You have to wonder how many of the families would even know there is help out there. They are cut off from society as a whole. I still do not understand how they could deprive their children, marry them off, work them to the bone. On the flip side, I have a great deal of empathy for the parents, for the are probably beat down to a pulp emotionally and barely hanging on. It angers me, especially after ALL the events even in the past year, that the government does not step in and put a stop to it. How about putting Jeffs in solitary and taking away his phone privileges? COME ON!
Mister Sister don't you think though, even if Jeffs is in solitary he would still get his message out? He cannot be cut off from his legal team and I wouldn't doubt if they don't pass messages for him.
I just wish there was something we could do to help these people. Something more I guess I mean. I'm so frustrated by this.
I also think you're right, the women are run down from all the children being born, not enough food since the community store decides what they need and all the tasks they're required to do. They probably don't have much fight left in them.
I do think what K. Dee and others is extraordinary- it has been picked up by many media outlets, and will get the word out. I believe it is much more dramatic and grabs the heartstrings than just a simple article about Jeffs new order. I commend her, her tactic is DEFINITELY getting the word out, and that can only bring good. I don't say this often, but this would be a great post to put on your facebooks!
I personally think they are buying stuff and selling it on ebay. A few months ago, I purchased a box Adkins Low-Carb Coconut/Choc Bars from ebay, I'm pretty sure it came from a Mormom hoard.
the LDS have a food system for those in need. but this is not the LDS we are talking about. the LDS do not support nor condone what the FLDS are doing. theyre not the same thing.
This just breaks my heart. When I read this the other day, I couldn't shedding some tears & every emotion exploded. Also, I've been watching Boots aka K Dee bean fast YouTube videos for the past 5 days. She posts them on her FB wall daily & she also posts in the Help the Child Brides & Others Trapped in the FLDS FB page. God bless this woman & others who sacrifice of themselves to be an advocate for these children who desperately needs to be rescued & taken out of that God forsaken environment. They're all in my daily thoughts & prayers.
THIS IS CHILD ABUSE! By any child welfare standard this action against the children should be an offence. People......call the appropriate child welfare authority and get some social workers in there. I am in Canada and can't be of any help that I am aware of. If there is something I would be happy to do it.
I'm wondering if he's not only doing this because of his whole Dictator/Prophet thing, but because he doesn't want to spend the money on actual food. Beans are hella cheap - I can get a huge sack of pinto beans for less than $10 at Costco. Plain beans with no bacon, meat stock, or other flavorings and no cornbread or other sides? those poor kids. I would hope that at least some of the parents are refusing to listen to this crap and slipping their kids food on the side.
Most of the FLDs are on food stamps. Therefore, they are getting $$$, plenty, for food. They were caught before cashing in food stamps when they were paper to their own "store" for cash, leaving their women and children hungry. I am not sure how they could do it now, with them being credit card style, but something tells me they know how.
Why do we not hear outrage from Obama? Love to hear WHY he's not doing anything. I like him, glad he beat Mitt, but still, crickets? Anyone know where we could write in and protest this?
Isn't it David Muir on CNN who has done some reports on FLDS for AC360?
Let's all send emails to CNN, AC,DM, and to 60 minutes also. If they think people will watch, they will report. I don't think the media thinks many of us are interested....
On 8/28/11, on SWB, was part 5 of Inside Story of Polygamy. After you watched it, there were other links you could go to. One was a link to a report on the show "What Would You DO?".
That show staged a group of FLDS-looking people with a very young teenager, and supposedly talking to her about it being her wedding day to the husband in the group. The girl kept saying she didn't think she wanted to get married, and she looked very unhappy.
The report said that when this repeatedly played out, of 100 diners, only 4 intervened to try to help the girl. Of those 4, 3 were women.
You could try writing the White House, but I doubt little will come of it. I am so sick of hearing how WJ can still control people from behind bars and as was mentiond above, The Browns and the rest of there clans know EXACTLY whats going on in HIldale and CC. For them to say otherwise is noting but lies. Whats more sickening is the leg humpers who would dive on a sword for these pathetic excuses of human beings, what they are doing to children reeks of abuse. The politics of Utah has given these rats a place to practice there perverted religion since most of them are part and parcel of that cult. WHY do we as Americans and people of the world tolerate this crap. How can we stop it and not keep playing lip service to it.
The Video Day 6 does an outstanding job of explaining why the parents allow this to happen, and an official you should contact. K. Dee really does a great job of explaining this situation. I commend her for this brilliant plan to get the word out about this beans only for the children of the FLDS. I've seen more in print about this since she's been following the diet and speaking about it. I would bet that even the Dargers and the Browns are sickened by the actions of Warren Jeffs.
It's too bad that one has to guess or "bet" that the Browns and Dargers are sickened. We should KNOW whether they are or not, from their own mouths. Of course, that probably won't happen... especially if they're being funded by any flds leaders. IMO, they are just as bad as these other leeches. They have lied and "possibly" broken the law, and should be treated accordingly.
I'm with you Anon. I think they could only help their case if they came forward when this sort of thing happens. They should publicly state that this is NOT what polygamy is about and that they do not condone this type of thing in any way, shape or form
Before the show and this blog, I really knew little of the FLDS other than the raid and the dresses. Now, lets see 12 yr old marriages/rapes families not owning their own homes only certain men can make babies now? How is that a sacred union? Cats being killed It's a sad fact, my family feels truly sorry for the other families caught up in this mess, with little education and knowing no one on the outside. Their life must be hell. Monster is a kind word for this man.
My question is, a nut always has reasons for their crazy actions. What is Jeffs trying to do with all these rules? Destroy the group?
Anon, I could be very wrong but I think he gets a thrill knowing no matter how stupid or harmful his edicts are, people will follow them. In his mind he probably thinks he's a God on earth and the blind obedience just reinforces that.
Just thankful that this blog has the intelligence to not only give us the brilliant humor that it does, but the reality of the injustices also. I read somewhere that the writers of the blog were learning as we were? (paraphrased) Well, to all that work on this blog, kudos. For the fun, laugh out loud side and the ability to talk freely about the show, upholding the integrity of what is right and what is so wrong about certain aspects of this "religion" - for one, I can't do much but I can sure pray for the entire FLDS group that is so caught up and messed up I am sure they don't know what to do and are very afraid. I am one that has compassion and can see how they can't get themselves untangled. Education is power. Humor is a great stress reducer. I love this blog. Thanks to those like K. Dee that are the real workers against injustice, and thanks to those that work on the blog that give us this little space in the world to come and talk.
Ate beans yesterday. Will admit I couldn't just drink water. Fine in a pinch, but how sad for these children. Is there a new video of KDee today? These are tremendously interesting and she is quite exceptional at speaking.
Thank you so much for posting this. I had no idea Warren Jeffs was pushing this fast right now. It sickens me.I feel so sad for this community that blindly follows this ill man.
Dear BrownLover:"Ruby Jessop's children are thrilled to be off of a strictly imposed all-bean diet ordered by jailed polygamist leader Warren Jeffs." http://abcnews.go.com/US/arizona-child-bride-escapes-flds-community-children/story?id=18292889
You might also check out the coverage of the all bean diet in the Daily Mail here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2267222/Ruby-Jessop-The-incredible-story-child-bride-escaped-Warren-Jeffs-polygamous-sect.html
This isn't new. It all came out in the press conference after Ruby's children were rescued from Colorado City.
By the way, every single child was passing bowel movements that were pure white and mixed with blood when we got them.
The problem here is that even when something like a victim coming forward to tell the truth about what's happening inside any of these polygamist communities takes place, the states of Utah and Arizona are so corrupt to the crime that it gets brushed right back under the carpet. Did anyone catch the quote from AZ Rep. Doris Goodale last week that accused us of "persecuting" polygamists by bringing attention to their crimes?
Someone tell me another city in America that could be doing this to their children where no one in authority would follow the information up or take any action. I won't be waiting up...
If my kids miss 5 days of school, we'd be getting a letter warning us of a home visit from the welfare. Not that mine have, but a friend did when her son was in the hospital! But that's Indiana for you.
Homeschooling these kids is a downfall of control. Brilliant on their part; evil at it's finest.
Well at e;east it's not a bread and water only. I know that these men/wpomen have been programmed from birth, etc./ however, there still comes a time when you have to make your mind up for yourself. Sadly, as said in the video, if they'd let their 12 yr old get raped while a group was watching, i doubt their diet is of major concern. Jeffs warranted no TV, Internet, newspapers, now that is control where these folks don't get to educate themselves much. I myself was in an abusive relationship once, and tangled in one that took all my cash, etc. I still ran like the wind and took my kids. I pray someday, some of these adults will wake up and flee. Is it still where only certain men can father children? That one made me sick too. One can only hope while he is in prison, someone steps ups that is in power, overthrows, and lets everyone free, or at least get what they deserve. Come to think of it, is Jeffs controlling them, or them men now in power? And who is that?
Ummm...these people have been brainwashed for multiple generations. I think he is still in control; reportedly, many FLDS don't even realize he is in prison. The entire community is of abusive power, women don't know where to turn. I. can't. even. imagine.
Reportedly, the internets, tv's, bicycles, toys, have been destroyed. Dogs and cats killed. The peop;e think he is LIKE GOD; if they disobey, they will go to hell!!
I've been reading a lot of books. Had to stop reading Church of Lies for a while, because the descriptions of Flora's abuse were just to graphic. Just finished Shattered Dreams; for some reason, Irene Spencer's words really helped me understand how all-encompassing the belief system of FM can be. I highly recommend this book, and am now reading Favorite Wife. As I learned on SWB, these books were written by the 2nd and 6th wives of the same man. (I also recommend Church of Lies, just can only read it in small doses)
This is so sick, I can hardly fathom such abuse going on in OUR country, using OUR tax dollars to boot, while our elected officials turn a blind eye. I have posted a message on 60 MINUTES Facebook page. I am outraged and I know that others will be once they find out.
Nope. Polygamists in Utah and Arizona are not only given a pass on the polygamy/bigamy laws but on all the laws dealing with child abuse and welfare fraud as well. See Sen. Orrin Hatch's comments on the Hildale polygamists. Flora remembers him coming to FLDS church services and playing the organ for them all as a child. Think these guys don't have friends in the highest places of power in this nation? Think again!
Hi, I watched Bean fast day 7 and I have a couple of questions. I hope I am not offending anyone with this as this is not my intent. Why are 50% of their cemetery children? Is it because incest and birth malformation? The 20 kinds who were run over with a car were they boys? This is all so very sad praying for the children.
I suspect, but have no direct knowledge, that is it is primarily due to lack of prenatal and other medical care. Some plyg groups do have serious issues with incest causing birth defects, the Kingston group for one, and that may well be an issue for the FLDS too.
For all we know, plain old child abuse may be taking a toll as well, as it all gets hidden, abusers are protected, and there's no authority to help the children.
Unreported abuse, home births, SIDS, it's sad many of them are un named basically unaccounted for. I don't understand why after their husband is removed something doesn't snap I suppose it's all the brainwashing. I can't even imagine believing those teachings, that lifestyle. When their sons are cast out... Sad lost boys, children abused, tween girls raped and it doesn't clue them in something is horribly wrong? I am glad to see some are making it out. My sister was a first wife, her high school sweet heart, he was not from a polygamist sect or family. It wasn't for several years he brought in the others, I don't know how it started. I was so young when it happened, we knew something was up, but didn't know the extent. I am so thankful my sister found the courage to leave him and the abuse she had endured. She had 7 children when she left, today she her youngest is in high school, she has raised the children alone, with no support from him, she is my hero. One of the wives gave up her children to her ex to be with him. She is now the only one still with him. Together they have no children. I believe he has around 18 kids total. Hasn't taken care of any of them.
What does it take for DCFS to go there and take those kids? It's not "Stockholm Syndrome". The whole community has no concept of an individual self. Without the Group they literally can't function emotionally. Everyone is so surprised when they go back - but from birth ALL babies male and female are conditioned to deeply believe that with out this, they are NOTHING, and NO ONE. So it's not losing their Eternal Soul (altho that's the only answer they know to give) - it's losing everything - not material - losing everything you are convinced you are.
These kids may get fed or not. But they and their Moms believe that this is their purpose. Their sole purpose for existing is to honor this Prophet. It is as deeply held as breathing. So, to be angry with the Moms is cruel. They are being their version of the best Moms they know how to be. Even if all the men in the group were jailed for life, these women would still believe that they are in earth only to serve. It's not "right" it's not "logical" - but the circle of hate has to stop.
They need caring and understanding along with basic nutrition
I have a family member that says we are all to blame for the gang culture un America, that we need only to hold their poor little hands and guide them through making the correct decisions. Apparently they have been raised to believe that they are supposed to rape women, beat and rob citizens, murderer people who make them angry and sell drugs to make a lot of money. It's all they know and it's not only our fault, but it's up to us to love them onto the right path.
Which, of course, is complete bullshit. God gave us brains and free will.
I'm not saying that these are the same issues -- they're not -- and I actually do understand the point you're trying to make, but the premise is the same. We do have our choices to make. And we are all responsible for those choices. Just a thought.
It's so sad how little sympathy and understanding "the public" has for the plight of these people. Even my own family and friends; when I try and talk about the issues, they kind of smirk and shake their heads. "Why are you so obsessed with polygamy now?" they dismissively say, and change the subject....
So what the reality is of this community, I'm gathering, is that the CPS, police, etc are all FLDS??? why can something like this be in the national news and nothing done about it? I hope to hear from K. Dee on this too!
You have the AZ Republicans to thank for the fact that police in town is still controlled by the FLDS: http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2013/03/bill_to_get_rid_of_flds-lovin_1.php
Kat is on to the answer. The politicians, which the people of Utah and Arizona repeatedly elect, are responsible for this mess.
Right now in Arizona, a state Representative, Doris Goodale (R) who represents the area encompassing Colorado City in Mohave County, is actually defending the FLDS and saying that there is "a persecution effort" against them, because "people don't like polygamy." This woman has blocked a bill that would close the FLDS controlled Town Marshalls Office in Colorado City.
After more than 50 years, there is finally a police presence [NOT controlled by the FLDS] in the area in the form of the Mohave County Sheriffs Office funding conducting patrols in the community. The bill, which was designed with the help of anti-polygamy activists would CLOSE the Town Marshalls Office and make the county the only law enforcement presence there.
It was killed in the last Arizona legislative session with the help of Ms. Goodale, who claims the FLDS are good people and the accounts by victims and activists are just lies or exaggerations.
The bill, which cleared the House last week, was effectively neutered by her efforts and is now on life support as it heads for the Senate. We are praying that before it is presented in the Senate that they will put the teeth back in it. [BTW: she has every vote in Colorado City]
Here's the long and the short of it: The original bill would have closed any law enforcement agency in Arizona that has had at least 50% of it's officers decertified for any reason. The Town Marshals Office would definitely qualify since more than 50% of their officers have been found guilty of the Arizona POST board of violating their duties as police officers. Some of the offenses include, refusing to assist anyone who is not an FLDS member, evidence that the officers were engaging in criminal activity, such as when a letter was found from the police chief, addressed to Warren Jeffs during the time he was on the lam and on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List, declaring his, and his officer's undying loyalty to him, harassment of non FLDS members etc. Or the CC officer who cornered me and Flora one night, and then refused to take a missing persons report from us on her mother and Ruby. Flora looked at him and said, "Do you like this job, Cousin? Because you're not going to have it much longer."
Rep. Doris Goodale successfully lobbied to get the bill changed last week, so that if passed, it would not be retroactive over the last 8 years, thereby shuttering the FLDS controlled cops, but would "start over fresh," meaning we would have to catch them from now on....and hope for the best.
Right now, when someone in Colorado City dials 911, they get the Town Marshalls Office, not the County sheriffs Office. That means if you are an abused woman or child, your call goes straight to Warren's god-squad goons.
Flora spoke this week about the bill: http://www.havasunews.com/news/flora-jessop-speaks-to-women-s-group/article_0df83ada-8ad5-11e2-a148-0019bb2963f4.html#.UT8y0Gl3zN8.facebook
There are STILL only 2 comments on the story and one is mine. Nobody in Mohave County gives a rat's behind about these kids. They've proven it for 100 years now. And re-electing Doris Goodale is proof enough. She is totally in the polygamists pockets. It's sick. The whole thing is sick beyond belief. I wish the world would pay attention to what is happening out there. The corruption is total, and they know they can get away with it because no one ever calls them out on it. If I ever win the lottery I'll probably spend it all to educate the American public on what these monsters have been doing to children for generations now...and none of them even care.
Boots, I suspect what it will take is federal intervention, as clearly the local folks do not care. I'm not sure how to get the feds involved. Transporting minors across state lines? RICO? There must be a way to get this out of the local jurisdiction.
The Feds are just as corrupt to polygamy as the locals. Just my opinion but I had a high ranking ex-FBI agent shake his finger at me in a public meeting once, and tell me I would "never get rid of polygamy in this country."
Also, after the Texas YFZ raid, both the workers who took the anonymous abuse hotline call supposedly from the ranch, which launched the raid, and some CPS case workers, told us they were confronted by FBI agents who poked them in the chest and told them to shut their mouths about anything the children had told them and NOT to share any of it with the Texas Rangers who were investigating the abuses.
It is NOT just the local Mohave County government doing business with the FLDS owned companies. The Feds also contract with FLDS and other plyg owned companies. Every piece of night vision goggles issued to our soldiers comes from a plyg owned company, and an FLDS owned company produced and engineered the defective O-ring that was found responsible for blowing up the Challenger Space Shuttle.
Every game machine in Peter Piper Pizza places across the country is leased from a company owned by one of the Kingston clan, which many of you know is notorious not only for child brides but horrific inbreeding and incest. So every time your kid puts a token in one of those game machines, you've just funded child rape. How sick is that?
I did some research in your claim about the O-ring being manufactured by a FLDS company. Are you telling me that Morton-Thiokol took the rap for manufacturing the O-ring that failed on the solid rocket booster when it was a company named Hydrapak (and supposedly owned by FLDS) that actually manufactured the O-ring? I watched the government inquiry and I don't remember any other company being involved except for Morton-Thiokol (which has since split up with the jet propulsion systems known simply as Thiokol).
Why hasn't the media picked up on this story? Why can't I find any other reference to this Hydrapak and its supposed FLDS anywhere except in comments to the Salt Lake Tribune? Not an article, in the comments! And can you tell me how Hydrapak, founded in 1996 had anything to do with a tragedy that occurred in 1986? Is this really true or is it just some kind of guilty by being located in Utah kind of corporate assassination? I really want to know more about this!
I'll talk to my [former] FLDS source about the connection and see what I can find out for you. I believe it was another company, not the one you mention here, and I think I know which one but don't want to speak out of turn, k?
Boots, I don't know how you carry on day after day, year after year, in the face of such limited support and seemingly insurmountable roadblocks! Please know that you (and others like you) are in the thoughts/prayers/good wishes of an increasing number of people each time you speak.
So glad to hear the kids are ok! So sad to think of the others. To this is a much higher level problem. I applaud you for bringing it out into the open, I really had no idea. So honest men and women get forced into lying, and it all gets squashed. WOW
Anon March 15: In answer to your question about the link to the FLDS and the Space Shuttle Challenger explosion, due to a defective O-ring...
"The faithful made out tithing checks to Jeffs personally, never to the church, Jeffs acknowledged in a 1989 deposition. He said he deposited tithing and other contributions to the Rulon T. Jeffs Trust Account, a checking account in existence since 1969, which he alone controlled.
Unlikely newsmaker: Though Jeffs has a passion for privacy, his name surfaced in a few news reports after the Jan. 15, 1986, Challenger space-shuttle explosion that killed seven astronauts.
Jeffs was on the board of directors for Hydrapak. The West Jordan firm manufactured the O-ring, which allowed a plume of fiery gas to escape, igniting the shuttle's liquid-fuel tank.
Eight months after the explosion, his name was dropped from incorporation papers. Jeffs' son Wallace, who bought Hydrapak in September 1986, insisted in a telephone interview that he never knew of his father's involvement with the firm.
Lloyd L. Wall, who is Hydrapak's former president, treasurer and director at the time of the Challenger explosion, lives in one of Rulon Jeffs' five Salt Lake County homes, this one described on tax rolls as situated on a half-acre wooded lot, valued at $287,000."
This quote was taken from an article published in the Salt lake Tribune: Rulon Jeffs: patriarch, president, prophet for polygamy
Salt Lake Tribune/June 28, 1998 By Tom Zoellner
Shortly after that the LDS church bought the Tribune and it no longer shows up in a search of their archives. Thanks to Rick Ross and his site dedicated to exposing cults, it can still be accessed on his site at this link: http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy9.html
The LDS church owns the Salt Lake Tribune? Things you tell us never cease to amaze me. i really knew little of all this until this blog. The LDS constantly say they are against polygamy. I know I am new and uneducated. However, it seems to me that the LDS SAY they are against polygamy, yet their forefathers were, and in fact, all were FLDS to begin with, only the laws making some change. Is it true that the LDS believe their "wives" will come in the afterlife? If so, they are enabling poor innocent victims to be hurt, which, if a Christian, they would know how wrong this is.
Thanks Boots for the info on Hydrapak Inc. Are you aware that the article you quoted does appear in the Tribune archives? I was able to find the article by selecting the tab for articles earlier than 2005. Just like other major newspapers, it costs $2.95 to view the complete article, but it is there. But thanks anyway, you saved me $2.95 by providing the link to the Rick Ross site. But this leads me to the following questions. Do you think it is fair to throw out a FLDS connection to a national tragedy when it was shown by the commission that NASA provided the specs for the o-rings, the o-rings were manufactured meeting those specs, that NASA and Morton Thiokol engineers knew that the o-rings could fail in freezing temperatures but allowed Challenger to fly anyway as an acceptable risk? And why claim that the LDS tried to block this information, when they did not?
I think I have been very "fair" to the FLDS, and quite honest about my own motivations for exposing everything I can about them, and any other polygamous group illegally violating the human rights of women and children in this country. What exactly is the federal government doing by giving multimillion dollar contracts to companies operated by people that are known to be breaking the law and violating the human rights of others? You only found the article because I provided you with the reporter's name and the date of publication. You cannot find anything about this incident without already knowing that information. It's buried, and when the LDS Church bought the paper, both reporters who covered these issues were let go. It's amazing what is consistently buried by friends of the polygamists in this country. Have you seen the huge new NSA project that Orrin Hatch just got approved in Bluffdale, Utah? They're going to use it to spy on regular American citizens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center That's the area with the largest concentration of AUB members in America. Nice of him to keep delivering for them, isn't it?
For the record, I did find the article but I searched using the word Hydrapak found from the internet searches I made before I saw your response. I thanked you because the search results pulled up the first couple of paragraphs of 8 separate articles. Once I read the article reprinted at rickross.com, I realized it was the article 6 of 8, Article ID: 100F3981008ADEFF. It is still in the database, and available. There is no conspiracy by the LDS, they haven't hidden anything or made it difficult to find. The search results are the same you get using any other major newspaper that has archived older articles. You have to pay to read!
Let me repeat, I found the archive advance search by typing "archive" in the search box on the home page. I used the tab for articles prior to 2005, used HYDRAPAK as my keyword, and used the search dates as January 1 1991 (the earliest available) to January 31 2013 (the latest available).
A total of 8 articles were returned that had Hydrapak. A couple of the articles actually stated that Thiokol subcontracted to Hydrapak to make the O-rings. Again, I have to thank you for providing the link to the story linking Rulon Jeffs to Hydrapak. As far as the NSA project, if it will prevent another 9/11 I'm all for it. If it prevents another massacre of innocent children like Sandy Hook, I AM ABSOLUTELY ALL FOR IT!! Maybe it will help the children of the FLDS too.
I am new to this and have a couple of questions. I read somewhere that Warren Jeffs was indicted on criminal activity and rackeetering. Why did the Govt not seize the property?
I'll answer these as I have time today. Texas is in the process of seizing the entire YFZ Ranch, in Eldorado, the site of the 2008 raid/rescue. Texas has evidence of an ongoing pattern of organized criminal activity at the YFZ by the FLDS, including Bigamy [Texas' polygamy statute] money laundering, sexual assault of minors and not listed in the warrant for seizure but plenty of evidence, HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
I gave a link to the court documents filed by Texas in the TripleAP blog here: http://tripleap.blogspot.com/2013/03/how-to-abuse-children-from-prison.html
I am looking for last seasons sister wives episodes, I have the tlc app, an Netflix but I'm not finding the full season or more than video clips where can I find the whole thing?
This is the article I came across that I thought was interesting...18 pictures of a tower the FLDS built on the ranch and then destroyed it when it was complete. Do you know anything about this? It also looks like the road in the background has a trench through it so no one can drive down it.
If you have time I was wondering if you could comment on this strange happening.
The tower was ordered built, along with an amphitheater larger than Madison Square Garden, on Warren's orders. No one knows the purpose. He ordered it destroyed once it was near completion. More photos of the entire bizarre episode can be seen here: http://www.eldoradoflds.us/
I believe I read this is what sent Flora Jessop's sister over the edge to run again. No "God" would harm a child. This is such a sick, perverted, unusual way for Jeff's to keep his followers going. What is he thinking? How is this going to make his kingdom better? By making sick, frail ill eventually grown ups? How will they work in his businesses? Even from a twisted point of view, I don't get it.
Same question here. So many of you are influential, Flora, Troy, you.... could you not get on TV and ask Obama to do something? Seems that your group could get to the top. I am hoping and praying you will.
If I were a mom, I'd feed them what I wanted. I'd pretend I was doing the bean thing, and do my OWN thing. Shame on the parents at this point. I guess we can't understand them. We can pray for this to end.
Yes, K. Dee. I know you must be very busy, but can you come and give us an update from time to time? We love hearing from you on here. I didn't know much about this before you came along and I read your columns.We appreciate it and love to hear what news or insights you tell us. Actually, we'd love to hear some juicy stories!
This scares me so. I hope my kids are not having to do this, but i am sure they are. please pray for them youall. someday I'll have enough saved up to get them back... whatever i have to do. I want to tell you that are not in this community something. Ladies are warned about K Dee and Flora and a few other gals. Knowing no better, even though they are sad and living in dumps, they think these and others that try to help are the devil.
i know no better. Thank you K Dee and please thank Flora and 2 others (you know who) for all you do, and never take it wrong if someone is afraid of you, that's what they have been taught.
Anon April 1, thanks, sugar. I appreciate it and will pass it on. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you think there is something we could do to help you get your children out. I know what they say about us. Good for you for making your own decisions.
Kids who suffer malnutrition can't develop their brains properly, and after falling behind, they rarely can catch up.
ReplyDeleteYes, they fall behind in body, mind, and soul...as if these kids didn't have enough of a slow start in life just by being born in the FLDS cult.
DeleteThank you, Troy, for your continuing education of us all at SWB, and for your commitment to these truly lost children of America.
Do you have a specific group you recommend that we send financial contributions to if/when we can?
And how about you? Is your PhD within sight?!
Do you have any update on how Ruby Jessop and her children are doing?
Is this not the sickest thing you have ever heard of?
DeleteTake that back.... I forgot about the sex bed in a church.
Sadly, if this is not a case for the welfare to step in, I pity those poor children. And it does become a case of WAKE UP PARENTS, when is enough enough?
Yes, Troy, we LOVE hearing from you. Spit my coffee at at your pick up line!!! hope you make some more for us over here.
DeleteWhat a horrible man. Bless K. Dee and others that put their life's work into helping others see this problem.
ReplyDeleteWhat the heck is up with that? Why in the world are our prisoners being fed more than most people eat for their breakfast?
ReplyDeleteHow many people in this country would love to have pancakes, syrup, oatmeal and scrambled eggs besides coffee and breakfast drink?
These people need to open their EYES and see that their children are being STARVED while Warren Jeffs is eating better than many people.
There are no words strong enough to describe what I feel for this man. FLDS children being force fed beans 2x a day and missing lunch is wrong! I want to go there and grab all those kids and bring them to my house.
It would be a cold day in HELL before I would force a child of mine to subsist just on beans and vitamins. How many of them are going to be getting sick? I have to stop - off the soapbox or I won't.
I don't care what orders were passed down, I would starve before I would see my child go hungry. Shame on these mothers. I do not feel sorry for them. Get these kids out of there!
DeleteI agree Anon! I called AZ and UT for all the good it likely did.
DeleteThese children will have lasting effects from this diet. There is a thing called appetite fatigue from eating the same thing over and over. Even if you are starving you will not want to eat it any more. It is most common among children and the elderly. So some of these children at this point are possibly not eating anything.
DeleteI know when I was young my mom served tater tots a few times a week for many years as I grew up. I still to this day will not eat a tater tot, I'd rather not eat (of course, I'm not starving).
I guess the mothers can't be seen at the store buying something other than beans. Do FLDS practice food storage like Mormans? If so perhaps some are adding to their children's diets with that. They would usually have flour, rice, oatmeal, powdered milk, and powdered fruit drink stored if that is the case.
It stinks that in those states officials seem to turn their heads to this kind of child abuse in the name of religious tolerance. I wonder if the kids even get regular doctor visits.
From everything I've read, FLDS seems like a perverse sex cult. Everyone's lives are run by a few select men. Women and children are abused, young girls married off, wives reassigned, teen boys run off. What a nightmare. No one with the education or financial means to escape.
Now, what kind of man, it doesn't have to even be a religious man, ANY MAN, WOULD ORDER SUCH A THING>? This is what happens when the government ignores some laws made to protect human rights. Now, it's a runaway train that the government or powers to be don't even know what to do with. Add that with a dose of not wanting to lose votes, and it is a lose lose situation for the same children that were picking pecans and not getting an education. This is AMERICA. Home of the free?
ReplyDeleteHow can these mothers/fathers take that man seriously at this point?! They are so sick that they need to be saved from themselves, or at the very least, their children need to be saved from all of them!
ReplyDeleteIt is absolutely appalling that this is happening in the United States...under the protection and the enabling of the government.
ReplyDeleteAppalling !!!!!!!!!!
It is almost obscene to think of how much time wasted on watching and talking about people like the Kody Brown group and the Joe Darger group, when a twisted version of their belief system is holding children and brain-washed adults hostage to these insane edicts and abuse.
When *in reality* people like the Browns and Dargers and others like them should be up in arms AND advocating with all their means to help mitigate this horrible situation. At the very least, since they are in the public eye, they could/should make a statement instead of their usual vapid, self-serving tweets and me-me, us-us proclamations.
This situation does reflect on them, however peripherally. The non-plyg public does not know the ins and outs of the many plyg variables. The Browns and the Dargers do. (despite what Christine claimed)
The public hears of "plyg" families....families with double digit numbers of children, siphoning of welfare subsidies including food stamps for the women, abuse and molestation of minors and all the other vile abuses in the radical sects.....and the public wonders WHY aren't the groups who are claiming *to be different* like the Browns and Dargers claim to be, not putting their energies and contacts into helping their fellow and sister plygs. These two families have the ear and eye of the mainstream public AND the media.....why not use it to help other plygs? Plygs who are in dire need of help and support.
Does their religion not believe in the "ministry" of helping those in need within their own religion???
Like other religions do??
Bless the K. Dee's of this world .....and thanks to SWB for spreading the word !!!
Yes! I agree with everything you said, and want to add that while I think it's fine that people like the Browns, they are PART OF THIS along with the other flds parasites. They and the Dargers seem to be part of the flds political machine, trying to convince us that their lifestyle is -- at best -- perfectly normal, and -- at worst -- none of our or the government's business. The leaders live like kings while the children suffer and WHO IS STOPPING IT??
DeleteI am so sick of the freaking "Hollywood" aspect of this cult. It is neither normal, nor none of our business. Someone has to help these children, because their piss-poor excuses for parents aren't, the Browns and Dargers sure aren't, the local and federal government aren't ... wtf!!! I have written emails, but only pray that it does dome good.
Meanwhile, how many laws have to be broken before something is done??? How can that bag of ass, Jeffs, be allowed to communicate with THESE PEOPLE who are his VICTIMS! Why are these children sacrificed for his pleasure?
Sorry for the rant. It just breaks my heart.
Wouldn't an anti-polygamy reality show be fun?
DeleteYes. Yes, it would.
DeleteWe could all meet (incognito at first, like superheroes) and make our plans to bring the leaders/abusers/criminals to justice, and after our mission is complete we can do shows showing us helping the victims to become independent, productive members of society.
I'd watch us! :)
What a great idea!!!
DeleteIt seems that many that come here, like me, enjoy the humor and the discussion of the show. However, we MUST NOT just enjoy the lighter parts and not read posts such as these that are a basic human right being taken away from innocent children.
ReplyDeleteThis sickens me.
This is criminal and completely SICKENING.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree. What the H*LL is wrong with those parents that they would abuse their children in this cruel manner? The kids bodies won't be developing properly and have years of potential illness/dental issues and disability ahead. I don't think a vitamin pill is going to be enough. What really makes me angry is that our country goes is more than likely making food drops to some 3rd World country, but isn't keeping tabs on the stuff happening on our own soil.(And another thing, with the Food Stamp assistance, I call that fraud.)
DeleteYou have to wonder how many of the families would even know there is help out there. They are cut off from society as a whole. I still do not understand how they could deprive their children, marry them off, work them to the bone. On the flip side, I have a great deal of empathy for the parents, for the are probably beat down to a pulp emotionally and barely hanging on. It angers me, especially after ALL the events even in the past year, that the government does not step in and put a stop to it. How about putting Jeffs in solitary and taking away his phone privileges? COME ON!
ReplyDeleteMister Sister don't you think though, even if Jeffs is in solitary he would still get his message out? He cannot be cut off from his legal team and I wouldn't doubt if they don't pass messages for him.
DeleteI just wish there was something we could do to help these people. Something more I guess I mean. I'm so frustrated by this.
I also think you're right, the women are run down from all the children being born, not enough food since the community store decides what they need and all the tasks they're required to do. They probably don't have much fight left in them.
better yet feed him beans and water lets see how long he can stand it
DeleteI do think what K. Dee and others is extraordinary- it has been picked up by many media outlets, and will get the word out. I believe it is much more dramatic and grabs the heartstrings than just a simple article about Jeffs new order. I commend her, her tactic is DEFINITELY getting the word out, and that can only bring good. I don't say this often, but this would be a great post to put on your facebooks!
ReplyDeleteI wonder where all that food stamp money is going?
DeleteI personally think they are buying stuff and selling it on ebay. A few months ago, I purchased a box Adkins Low-Carb Coconut/Choc Bars from ebay, I'm pretty sure it came from a Mormom hoard.
Deletethe LDS have a food system for those in need. but this is not the LDS we are talking about. the LDS do not support nor condone what the FLDS are doing. theyre not the same thing.
DeleteThis just breaks my heart. When I read this the other day, I couldn't shedding some tears & every emotion exploded. Also, I've been watching Boots aka K Dee bean fast YouTube videos for the past 5 days. She posts them on her FB wall daily & she also posts in the Help the Child Brides & Others Trapped in the FLDS FB page.
ReplyDeleteGod bless this woman & others who sacrifice of themselves to be an advocate for these children who desperately needs to be rescued & taken out of that God forsaken environment. They're all in my daily thoughts & prayers.
THIS IS CHILD ABUSE! By any child welfare standard this action against the children should be an offence. People......call the appropriate child welfare authority and get some social workers in there. I am in Canada and can't be of any help that I am aware of. If there is something I would be happy to do it.
ReplyDeleteI'm wondering if he's not only doing this because of his whole Dictator/Prophet thing, but because he doesn't want to spend the money on actual food. Beans are hella cheap - I can get a huge sack of pinto beans for less than $10 at Costco. Plain beans with no bacon, meat stock, or other flavorings and no cornbread or other sides? those poor kids. I would hope that at least some of the parents are refusing to listen to this crap and slipping their kids food on the side.
ReplyDeleteMost of the FLDs are on food stamps. Therefore, they are getting $$$, plenty, for food. They were caught before cashing in food stamps when they were paper to their own "store" for cash, leaving their women and children hungry. I am not sure how they could do it now, with them being credit card style, but something tells me they know how.
DeleteWhy do we not hear outrage from Obama? Love to hear WHY he's not doing anything. I like him, glad he beat Mitt, but still, crickets? Anyone know where we could write in and protest this?
I wonder if 60 MINUTES would do an article exposing this? They have a huge audience that I'm sure would be outraged.
DeleteI would like that too.
DeleteIsn't it David Muir on CNN who has done some reports on FLDS for AC360?
DeleteLet's all send emails to CNN, AC,DM, and to 60 minutes also. If they think people will watch, they will report. I don't think the media thinks many of us are interested....
On 8/28/11, on SWB, was part 5 of Inside Story of Polygamy. After you watched it, there were other links you could go to. One was a link to a report on the show "What Would You DO?".
That show staged a group of FLDS-looking people with a very young teenager, and supposedly talking to her about it being her wedding day to the husband in the group. The girl kept saying she didn't think she wanted to get married, and she looked very unhappy.
The report said that when this repeatedly played out, of 100 diners, only 4 intervened to try to help the girl. Of those 4, 3 were women.
You could try writing the White House, but I doubt little will come of it. I am so sick of hearing how WJ can still control people from behind bars and as was mentiond above, The Browns and the rest of there clans know EXACTLY whats going on in HIldale and CC. For them to say otherwise is noting but lies. Whats more sickening is the leg humpers who would dive on a sword for these pathetic excuses of human beings, what they are doing to children reeks of abuse. The politics of Utah has given these rats a place to practice there perverted religion since most of them are part and parcel of that cult. WHY do we as Americans and people of the world tolerate this crap. How can we stop it and not keep playing lip service to it.
ReplyDeleteThe Video Day 6 does an outstanding job of explaining why the parents allow this to happen, and an official you should contact. K. Dee really does a great job of explaining this situation.
ReplyDeleteI commend her for this brilliant plan to get the word out about this beans only for the children of the FLDS. I've seen more in print about this since she's been following the diet and speaking about it.
I would bet that even the Dargers and the Browns are sickened by the actions of Warren Jeffs.
It's too bad that one has to guess or "bet" that the Browns and Dargers are sickened. We should KNOW whether they are or not, from their own mouths. Of course, that probably won't happen... especially if they're being funded by any flds leaders. IMO, they are just as bad as these other leeches. They have lied and "possibly" broken the law, and should be treated accordingly.
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I'm with you Anon. I think they could only help their case if they came forward when this sort of thing happens. They should publicly state that this is NOT what polygamy is about and that they do not condone this type of thing in any way, shape or form
DeleteBefore the show and this blog, I really knew little of the FLDS other than the raid and the dresses.
ReplyDeleteNow, lets see
12 yr old marriages/rapes
families not owning their own homes
only certain men can make babies now? How is that a sacred union?
Cats being killed
It's a sad fact, my family feels truly sorry for the other families caught up in this mess, with little education and knowing no one on the outside. Their life must be hell. Monster is a kind word for this man.
My question is, a nut always has reasons for their crazy actions. What is Jeffs trying to do with all these rules? Destroy the group?
Anon, I could be very wrong but I think he gets a thrill knowing no matter how stupid or harmful his edicts are, people will follow them. In his mind he probably thinks he's a God on earth and the blind obedience just reinforces that.
ReplyDeleteWarren is in for a rude awakening when he stands before the true God.
DeleteJust thankful that this blog has the intelligence to not only give us the brilliant humor that it does, but the reality of the injustices also. I read somewhere that the writers of the blog were learning as we were? (paraphrased)
ReplyDeleteWell, to all that work on this blog, kudos. For the fun, laugh out loud side and the ability to talk freely about the show, upholding the integrity of what is right and what is so wrong about certain aspects of this "religion" - for one, I can't do much but I can sure pray for the entire FLDS group that is so caught up and messed up I am sure they don't know what to do and are very afraid. I am one that has compassion and can see how they can't get themselves untangled. Education is power. Humor is a great stress reducer. I love this blog. Thanks to those like K. Dee that are the real workers against injustice, and thanks to those that work on the blog that give us this little space in the world to come and talk.
Opnly hope all these folks have indoor plumbing. Beans only - will clean their clocks!
ReplyDeleteUnky Warren is making it very hard for these kids to 'keep sweet'. Sadistic piece of scum!
DeleteAte beans yesterday. Will admit I couldn't just drink water. Fine in a pinch, but how sad for these children. Is there a new video of KDee today? These are tremendously interesting and she is quite exceptional at speaking.
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for posting this. I had no idea Warren Jeffs was pushing this fast right now. It sickens me.I feel so sad for this community that blindly follows this ill man.
ReplyDeleteHow is this woman finding out about what he is dictating? Does she have a source in there or is he making his declarations public?
ReplyDeleteDear BrownLover:"Ruby Jessop's children are thrilled to be off of a strictly imposed all-bean diet ordered by jailed polygamist leader Warren Jeffs."
Deletehttp://abcnews.go.com/US/arizona-child-bride-escapes-flds-community-children/story?id=18292889
You might also check out the coverage of the all bean diet in the Daily Mail here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2267222/Ruby-Jessop-The-incredible-story-child-bride-escaped-Warren-Jeffs-polygamous-sect.html
This isn't new. It all came out in the press conference after Ruby's children were rescued from Colorado City.
By the way, every single child was passing bowel movements that were pure white and mixed with blood when we got them.
The problem here is that even when something like a victim coming forward to tell the truth about what's happening inside any of these polygamist communities takes place, the states of Utah and Arizona are so corrupt to the crime that it gets brushed right back under the carpet. Did anyone catch the quote from AZ Rep. Doris Goodale last week that accused us of "persecuting" polygamists by bringing attention to their crimes?
Someone tell me another city in America that could be doing this to their children where no one in authority would follow the information up or take any action. I won't be waiting up...
Ruby and the children are doing great now.
That is brutal. White. Did the physicians say anything about what a bean only diet would do to the children?
DeleteIf my kids miss 5 days of school, we'd be getting a letter warning us of a home visit from the welfare. Not that mine have, but a friend did when her son was in the hospital!
DeleteBut that's Indiana for you.
Homeschooling these kids is a downfall of control. Brilliant on their part; evil at it's finest.
"This Woman" - Her name is K. Dee Ignantin. This has been widely known for awhile - and in the press. This has been going on for about 6 months.
ReplyDeleteWell at e;east it's not a bread and water only. I know that these men/wpomen have been programmed from birth, etc./ however, there still comes a time when you have to make your mind up for yourself. Sadly, as said in the video, if they'd let their 12 yr old get raped while a group was watching, i doubt their diet is of major concern.
ReplyDeleteJeffs warranted no TV, Internet, newspapers, now that is control where these folks don't get to educate themselves much.
I myself was in an abusive relationship once, and tangled in one that took all my cash, etc. I still ran like the wind and took my kids. I pray someday, some of these adults will wake up and flee. Is it still where only certain men can father children? That one made me sick too. One can only hope while he is in prison, someone steps ups that is in power, overthrows, and lets everyone free, or at least get what they deserve.
Come to think of it, is Jeffs controlling them, or them men now in power? And who is that?
Ummm...these people have been brainwashed for multiple generations. I think he is still in control; reportedly, many FLDS don't even realize he is in prison. The entire community is of abusive power, women don't know where to turn. I. can't. even. imagine.
DeleteReportedly, the internets, tv's, bicycles, toys, have been destroyed. Dogs and cats killed. The peop;e think he is LIKE GOD; if they disobey, they will go to hell!!
I've been reading a lot of books. Had to stop reading Church of Lies for a while, because the descriptions of Flora's abuse were just to graphic. Just finished Shattered Dreams; for some reason, Irene Spencer's words really helped me understand how all-encompassing the belief system of FM can be. I highly recommend this book, and am now reading Favorite Wife. As I learned on SWB, these books were written by the 2nd and 6th wives of the same man. (I also recommend Church of Lies, just can only read it in small doses)
This is so sick, I can hardly fathom such abuse going on in OUR country, using OUR tax dollars to boot, while our elected officials turn a blind eye. I have posted a message on 60 MINUTES Facebook page. I am outraged and I know that others will be once they find out.
ReplyDeleteWhere is the line between free practice of one's beliefs and restricting those same practices?
ReplyDeleteSurely there is something short of gathering the villagers with torches to march on the compound that can be effective in curbing illegal activities.
We are a nation of laws still.
Nope. Polygamists in Utah and Arizona are not only given a pass on the polygamy/bigamy laws but on all the laws dealing with child abuse and welfare fraud as well. See Sen. Orrin Hatch's comments on the Hildale polygamists. Flora remembers him coming to FLDS church services and playing the organ for them all as a child. Think these guys don't have friends in the highest places of power in this nation? Think again!
DeleteAnd there lies the problem, isn't it? IF they did not supply money to the politicians, this would be a big time problem long gone.
DeleteHi, I watched Bean fast day 7 and I have a couple of questions. I hope I am not offending anyone with this as this is not my intent. Why are 50% of their cemetery children? Is it because incest and birth malformation? The 20 kinds who were run over with a car were they boys? This is all so very sad praying for the children.
ReplyDeleteI suspect, but have no direct knowledge, that is it is primarily due to lack of prenatal and other medical care. Some plyg groups do have serious issues with incest causing birth defects, the Kingston group for one, and that may well be an issue for the FLDS too.
DeleteFor all we know, plain old child abuse may be taking a toll as well, as it all gets hidden, abusers are protected, and there's no authority to help the children.
Hi Anon, I believe I addressed your questions in my blog.
DeleteUnreported abuse, home births, SIDS, it's sad many of them are un named basically unaccounted for. I don't understand why after their husband is removed something doesn't snap I suppose it's all the brainwashing. I can't even imagine believing those teachings, that lifestyle. When their sons are cast out... Sad lost boys, children abused, tween girls raped and it doesn't clue them in something is horribly wrong? I am glad to see some are making it out.
DeleteMy sister was a first wife, her high school sweet heart, he was not from a polygamist sect or family. It wasn't for several years he brought in the others, I don't know how it started. I was so young when it happened, we knew something was up, but didn't know the extent. I am so thankful my sister found the courage to leave him and the abuse she had endured. She had 7 children when she left, today she her youngest is in high school, she has raised the children alone, with no support from him, she is my hero. One of the wives gave up her children to her ex to be with him. She is now the only one still with him. Together they have no children. I believe he has around 18 kids total. Hasn't taken care of any of them.
This was re-tweeted by Meri
ReplyDelete"If they don't want the relationship responsibilities they don't deserve the benefits. Know your worth.
Umm...does anyone else find this ironic?
Yes, I do....beyond ironic.
DeleteSo smug.....so hypocritical.
What does it take for DCFS to go there and take those kids? It's not "Stockholm Syndrome". The whole community has no concept of an individual self. Without the Group they literally can't function emotionally. Everyone is so surprised when they go back - but from birth ALL babies male and female are conditioned to deeply believe that with out this, they are NOTHING, and NO ONE. So it's not losing their Eternal Soul (altho that's the only answer they know to give) - it's losing everything - not material - losing everything you are convinced you are.
ReplyDeleteThese kids may get fed or not. But they and their Moms believe that this is their purpose. Their sole purpose for existing is to honor this Prophet. It is as deeply held as breathing. So, to be angry with the Moms is cruel. They are being their version of the best Moms they know how to be. Even if all the men in the group were jailed for life, these women would still believe that they are in earth only to serve. It's not "right" it's not "logical" - but the circle of hate has to stop.
They need caring and understanding along with basic nutrition
I have a family member that says we are all to blame for the gang culture un America, that we need only to hold their poor little hands and guide them through making the correct decisions. Apparently they have been raised to believe that they are supposed to rape women, beat and rob citizens, murderer people who make them angry and sell drugs to make a lot of money. It's all they know and it's not only our fault, but it's up to us to love them onto the right path.
DeleteWhich, of course, is complete bullshit. God gave us brains and free will.
I'm not saying that these are the same issues -- they're not -- and I actually do understand the point you're trying to make, but the premise is the same. We do have our choices to make. And we are all responsible for those choices. Just a thought.
You don't starve your children. I don't care what you believe. If you starve your children you're a criminal and I want you charged.
DeleteWell said, Anon 3/11 9:36!
ReplyDeleteIt's so sad how little sympathy and understanding "the public" has for the plight of these people. Even my own family and friends; when I try and talk about the issues, they kind of smirk and shake their heads. "Why are you so obsessed with polygamy now?" they dismissively say, and change the subject....
Tell them you don't like slavery and don't consider it a viable "lifestyle choice" for anyone.
DeleteK dee I am inspired by you. I can't believe in this country something like this is going on. Where I live, the CPS would be all over it.
ReplyDeleteThank you and G-d bless you! yes, here in Texas we don't like our kids abused either.
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So what the reality is of this community, I'm gathering, is that the CPS, police, etc are all FLDS??? why can something like this be in the national news and nothing done about it? I hope to hear from K. Dee on this too!
ReplyDeleteYou have the AZ Republicans to thank for the fact that police in town is still controlled by the FLDS:
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Kat is on to the answer. The politicians, which the people of Utah and Arizona repeatedly elect, are responsible for this mess.
DeleteRight now in Arizona, a state Representative, Doris Goodale (R) who represents the area encompassing Colorado City in Mohave County, is actually defending the FLDS and saying that there is "a persecution effort" against them, because "people don't like polygamy." This woman has blocked a bill that would close the FLDS controlled Town Marshalls Office in Colorado City.
After more than 50 years, there is finally a police presence [NOT controlled by the FLDS] in the area in the form of the Mohave County Sheriffs Office funding conducting patrols in the community. The bill, which was designed with the help of anti-polygamy activists would CLOSE the Town Marshalls Office and make the county the only law enforcement presence there.
It was killed in the last Arizona legislative session with the help of Ms. Goodale, who claims the FLDS are good people and the accounts by victims and activists are just lies or exaggerations.
The bill, which cleared the House last week, was effectively neutered by her efforts and is now on life support as it heads for the Senate. We are praying that before it is presented in the Senate that they will put the teeth back in it. [BTW: she has every vote in Colorado City]
Here's the long and the short of it: The original bill would have closed any law enforcement agency in Arizona that has had at least 50% of it's officers decertified for any reason. The Town Marshals Office would definitely qualify since more than 50% of their officers have been found guilty of the Arizona POST board of violating their duties as police officers. Some of the offenses include, refusing to assist anyone who is not an FLDS member, evidence that the officers were engaging in criminal activity, such as when a letter was found from the police chief, addressed to Warren Jeffs during the time he was on the lam and on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List, declaring his, and his officer's undying loyalty to him, harassment of non FLDS members etc. Or the CC officer who cornered me and Flora one night, and then refused to take a missing persons report from us on her mother and Ruby. Flora looked at him and said, "Do you like this job, Cousin? Because you're not going to have it much longer."
Rep. Doris Goodale successfully lobbied to get the bill changed last week, so that if passed, it would not be retroactive over the last 8 years, thereby shuttering the FLDS controlled cops, but would "start over fresh," meaning we would have to catch them from now on....and hope for the best.
Right now, when someone in Colorado City dials 911, they get the Town Marshalls Office, not the County sheriffs Office. That means if you are an abused woman or child, your call goes straight to Warren's god-squad goons.
Flora spoke this week about the bill: http://www.havasunews.com/news/flora-jessop-speaks-to-women-s-group/article_0df83ada-8ad5-11e2-a148-0019bb2963f4.html#.UT8y0Gl3zN8.facebook
There are STILL only 2 comments on the story and one is mine. Nobody in Mohave County gives a rat's behind about these kids. They've proven it for 100 years now. And re-electing Doris Goodale is proof enough. She is totally in the polygamists pockets. It's sick. The whole thing is sick beyond belief. I wish the world would pay attention to what is happening out there. The corruption is total, and they know they can get away with it because no one ever calls them out on it. If I ever win the lottery I'll probably spend it all to educate the American public on what these monsters have been doing to children for generations now...and none of them even care.
Boots, I suspect what it will take is federal intervention, as clearly the local folks do not care. I'm not sure how to get the feds involved. Transporting minors across state lines? RICO? There must be a way to get this out of the local jurisdiction.
DeleteThe Feds are just as corrupt to polygamy as the locals. Just my opinion but I had a high ranking ex-FBI agent shake his finger at me in a public meeting once, and tell me I would "never get rid of polygamy in this country."
DeleteAlso, after the Texas YFZ raid, both the workers who took the anonymous abuse hotline call supposedly from the ranch, which launched the raid, and some CPS case workers, told us they were confronted by FBI agents who poked them in the chest and told them to shut their mouths about anything the children had told them and NOT to share any of it with the Texas Rangers who were investigating the abuses.
It is NOT just the local Mohave County government doing business with the FLDS owned companies. The Feds also contract with FLDS and other plyg owned companies. Every piece of night vision goggles issued to our soldiers comes from a plyg owned company, and an FLDS owned company produced and engineered the defective O-ring that was found responsible for blowing up the Challenger Space Shuttle.
Every game machine in Peter Piper Pizza places across the country is leased from a company owned by one of the Kingston clan, which many of you know is notorious not only for child brides but horrific inbreeding and incest. So every time your kid puts a token in one of those game machines, you've just funded child rape. How sick is that?
I did some research in your claim about the O-ring being manufactured by a FLDS company. Are you telling me that Morton-Thiokol took the rap for manufacturing the O-ring that failed on the solid rocket booster when it was a company named Hydrapak (and supposedly owned by FLDS) that actually manufactured the O-ring? I watched the government inquiry and I don't remember any other company being involved except for Morton-Thiokol (which has since split up with the jet propulsion systems known simply as Thiokol).
DeleteWhy hasn't the media picked up on this story? Why can't I find any other reference to this Hydrapak and its supposed FLDS anywhere except in comments to the Salt Lake Tribune? Not an article, in the comments! And can you tell me how Hydrapak, founded in 1996 had anything to do with a tragedy that occurred in 1986? Is this really true or is it just some kind of guilty by being located in Utah kind of corporate assassination? I really want to know more about this!
I'll talk to my [former] FLDS source about the connection and see what I can find out for you. I believe it was another company, not the one you mention here, and I think I know which one but don't want to speak out of turn, k?
DeleteBoots, I don't know how you carry on day after day, year after year, in the face of such limited support and seemingly insurmountable roadblocks! Please know that you (and others like you) are in the thoughts/prayers/good wishes of an increasing number of people each time you speak.
DeleteSo glad to hear the kids are ok!
DeleteSo sad to think of the others.
To this is a much higher level problem. I applaud you for bringing it out into the open, I really had no idea. So honest men and women get forced into lying, and it all gets squashed. WOW
Anon March 15: In answer to your question about the link to the FLDS and the Space Shuttle Challenger explosion, due to a defective O-ring...
Delete"The faithful made out tithing checks to Jeffs personally, never to the church, Jeffs acknowledged in a 1989 deposition. He said he deposited tithing and other contributions to the Rulon T. Jeffs Trust Account, a checking account in existence since 1969, which he alone controlled.
Unlikely newsmaker: Though Jeffs has a passion for privacy, his name surfaced in a few news reports after the Jan. 15, 1986, Challenger space-shuttle explosion that killed seven astronauts.
Jeffs was on the board of directors for Hydrapak. The West Jordan firm manufactured the O-ring, which allowed a plume of fiery gas to escape, igniting the shuttle's liquid-fuel tank.
Eight months after the explosion, his name was dropped from incorporation papers. Jeffs' son Wallace, who bought Hydrapak in September 1986, insisted in a telephone interview that he never knew of his father's involvement with the firm.
Lloyd L. Wall, who is Hydrapak's former president, treasurer and director at the time of the Challenger explosion, lives in one of Rulon Jeffs' five Salt Lake County homes, this one described on tax rolls as situated on a half-acre wooded lot, valued at $287,000."
This quote was taken from an article published in the Salt lake Tribune:
Rulon Jeffs: patriarch, president, prophet for polygamy
Salt Lake Tribune/June 28, 1998
By Tom Zoellner
Shortly after that the LDS church bought the Tribune and it no longer shows up in a search of their archives. Thanks to Rick Ross and his site dedicated to exposing cults, it can still be accessed on his site at this link: http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy9.html
Thanks guys, your thoughts, prayers and support are very appreciated! We need them, sincerely.
DeleteThe LDS church owns the Salt Lake Tribune? Things you tell us never cease to amaze me. i really knew little of all this until this blog. The LDS constantly say they are against polygamy. I know I am new and uneducated. However, it seems to me that the LDS SAY they are against polygamy, yet their forefathers were, and in fact, all were FLDS to begin with, only the laws making some change. Is it true that the LDS believe their "wives" will come in the afterlife? If so, they are enabling poor innocent victims to be hurt, which, if a Christian, they would know how wrong this is.
DeleteThanks Boots for the info on Hydrapak Inc. Are you aware that the article you quoted does appear in the Tribune archives? I was able to find the article by selecting the tab for articles earlier than 2005. Just like other major newspapers, it costs $2.95 to view the complete article, but it is there. But thanks anyway, you saved me $2.95 by providing the link to the Rick Ross site. But this leads me to the following questions. Do you think it is fair to throw out a FLDS connection to a national tragedy when it was shown by the commission that NASA provided the specs for the o-rings, the o-rings were manufactured meeting those specs, that NASA and Morton Thiokol engineers knew that the o-rings could fail in freezing temperatures but allowed Challenger to fly anyway as an acceptable risk? And why claim that the LDS tried to block this information, when they did not?
DeleteI think I have been very "fair" to the FLDS, and quite honest about my own motivations for exposing everything I can about them, and any other polygamous group illegally violating the human rights of women and children in this country. What exactly is the federal government doing by giving multimillion dollar contracts to companies operated by people that are known to be breaking the law and violating the human rights of others? You only found the article because I provided you with the reporter's name and the date of publication. You cannot find anything about this incident without already knowing that information. It's buried, and when the LDS Church bought the paper, both reporters who covered these issues were let go. It's amazing what is consistently buried by friends of the polygamists in this country. Have you seen the huge new NSA project that Orrin Hatch just got approved in Bluffdale, Utah? They're going to use it to spy on regular American citizens.
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That's the area with the largest concentration of AUB members in America. Nice of him to keep delivering for them, isn't it?
For the record, I did find the article but I searched using the word Hydrapak found from the internet searches I made before I saw your response. I thanked you because the search results pulled up the first couple of paragraphs of 8 separate articles. Once I read the article reprinted at rickross.com, I realized it was the article 6 of 8, Article ID: 100F3981008ADEFF. It is still in the database, and available. There is no conspiracy by the LDS, they haven't hidden anything or made it difficult to find. The search results are the same you get using any other major newspaper that has archived older articles. You have to pay to read!
DeleteLet me repeat, I found the archive advance search by typing "archive" in the search box on the home page. I used the tab for articles prior to 2005, used HYDRAPAK as my keyword, and used the search dates as January 1 1991 (the earliest available) to January 31 2013 (the latest available).
A total of 8 articles were returned that had Hydrapak. A couple of the articles actually stated that Thiokol subcontracted to Hydrapak to make the O-rings. Again, I have to thank you for providing the link to the story linking Rulon Jeffs to Hydrapak. As far as the NSA project, if it will prevent another 9/11 I'm all for it. If it prevents another massacre of innocent children like Sandy Hook, I AM ABSOLUTELY ALL FOR IT!! Maybe it will help the children of the FLDS too.
I am new to this and have a couple of questions. I read somewhere that Warren Jeffs was indicted on criminal activity and rackeetering. Why did the Govt not seize the property?
ReplyDeleteI'll answer these as I have time today. Texas is in the process of seizing the entire YFZ Ranch, in Eldorado, the site of the 2008 raid/rescue. Texas has evidence of an ongoing pattern of organized criminal activity at the YFZ by the FLDS, including Bigamy [Texas' polygamy statute] money laundering, sexual assault of minors and not listed in the warrant for seizure but plenty of evidence, HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
ReplyDeleteI gave a link to the court documents filed by Texas in the TripleAP blog here: http://tripleap.blogspot.com/2013/03/how-to-abuse-children-from-prison.html
I am looking for last seasons sister wives episodes, I have the tlc app, an Netflix but I'm not finding the full season or more than video clips where can I find the whole thing?
ReplyDeleteAfter reading what you said about the YFZ ranch in Texas, I googled it for more information.
ReplyDeletehttp://fox13now.com/2012/07/19/mysterious-flds-tower-completed-then-destroyed/
This is the article I came across that I thought was interesting...18 pictures of a tower the FLDS built on the ranch and then destroyed it when it was complete. Do you know anything about this? It also looks like the road in the background has a trench through it so no one can drive down it.
If you have time I was wondering if you could comment on this strange happening.
Slept into Debt
The tower was ordered built, along with an amphitheater larger than Madison Square Garden, on Warren's orders. No one knows the purpose. He ordered it destroyed once it was near completion. More photos of the entire bizarre episode can be seen here: http://www.eldoradoflds.us/
DeleteThey certainly could have housed, fed, and educated many children with that money.
DeleteKeep up the wonderful work, we're praying for you!
ReplyDeleteI believe I read this is what sent Flora Jessop's sister over the edge to run again.
ReplyDeleteNo "God" would harm a child. This is such a sick, perverted, unusual way for Jeff's to keep his followers going. What is he thinking? How is this going to make his kingdom better? By making sick, frail ill eventually grown ups? How will they work in his businesses? Even from a twisted point of view, I don't get it.
K. Dee or others in the know, is this STILL GOING ON? Hasn't it been about a year? With all this press, still nothing done?
ReplyDeleteSame question here. So many of you are influential, Flora, Troy, you.... could you not get on TV and ask Obama to do something? Seems that your group could get to the top. I am hoping and praying you will.
ReplyDeleteIf I were a mom, I'd feed them what I wanted. I'd pretend I was doing the bean thing, and do my OWN thing. Shame on the parents at this point. I guess we can't understand them. We can pray for this to end.
ReplyDeletePlease keep us updated on any new developments.
ReplyDeleteYes, K. Dee. I know you must be very busy, but can you come and give us an update from time to time? We love hearing from you on here. I didn't know much about this before you came along and I read your columns.We appreciate it and love to hear what news or insights you tell us. Actually, we'd love to hear some juicy stories!
ReplyDeleteUpdates please.
ReplyDeleteThis scares me so. I hope my kids are not having to do this, but i am sure they are. please pray for them youall. someday I'll have enough saved up to get them back... whatever i have to do.
ReplyDeleteI want to tell you that are not in this community something. Ladies are warned about K Dee and Flora and a few other gals. Knowing no better, even though they are sad and living in dumps, they think these and others that try to help are the devil.
i know no better. Thank you K Dee and please thank Flora and 2 others (you know who) for all you do, and never take it wrong if someone is afraid of you, that's what they have been taught.
Anon April 1, thanks, sugar. I appreciate it and will pass it on. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you think there is something we could do to help you get your children out. I know what they say about us. Good for you for making your own decisions.
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