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UPDATE!!!!
Okay, seems like we got some eagle eyed peeps who don't agree with my first assessment... That's kool (sorry DJ !!)
So being that I can't just jump on the next flight to Vegas, rent a car and drive to the cuddle sac, I did the next best thing.
Yep, I fired up Google Maps!!
Take a long hard look at the scenery in the picture above...
Now study the pictures below (courtesy Google Maps)
Your challenge is to decide:
1) Which view best represents Janelle's photo (WEST or NORTH view)
2) Is the pool Janelle's or someone elses
Let's have some fun with this!! Good Luck!!
Alrighty then. My original conclusion was....WRONG. Here's the background on how I came to my NEW and IMPROVED conclusion...
Something about the tweet picture just didn't make sense...and it was THE BRICK FENCE GOING LEFT TO RIGHT!
You see, if that was Janelle's house, that fence would be separating her house from Christine - totally contrary to the backyards all being connected requirement set by Kody.
So before I went to Google maps, I wrote down 4 things to look for:
1. the mountain in the background
2. the clump of thick green trees
3. the utility poles near those trees
4. the unusual brick fence running left to right
Once I checked out Google Maps, I realized it was still possible the pool was located in the gated cul de sac, but that it most definitely was not located at any of the Brown's McMansions!
The view is North, there's a brick fence on the west (left) side and the North side. This house must be located in the Northwest corner of the gated cul de sac at a neighbor's house.
Once I got on Google Map, I could account for all 4 of the items I had to find to support my conclusion.
Finally, that brick fence (4) could be seen in this Google map view:
Which would correspond to this property:
As Juan Martinez will say (hopefully soon) I rest my case...
Wait Wait!! Just one more thing!
I noticed that there are people responding to Janelle's tweet, but the conversations are not showing on her tweet account (at least not for me). If you put her twitter name @JanelleBrown117 in the search box, when the results come up, click on Tweets: All and you'll see those comments (scroll down).
From what I can tell of those comments, fans have put 2 and 2 together and now realize (well, some of them) that the Browns did get those McMansions. Of course, Janelle has taken the stance of IGNORING the comments, like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand. This might work with Kody, but maybe she should have been a little more careful and just zoomed in on the kids in the pool.
Looks like the Arias trial in Phoenix AZ has been cancelled for the day (Wednesday 3/27).
No information why the cancellation, just that "Court will be unable to proceed today". Short and sweet. I did hear one of the HLN reporters saying that Jodi's female attorney made a point of saying to one of the Sheriff deputies "Make sure she takes her medication!" after an earlier hearing (on a court related matter but before a different judge) had finished.
Apparently, court was cancelled due to Arias suffering from a migraine headache, which could explain why her attorney made that statement. Also, a family friend is claiming Arias is being awakened on court days way too early, at 1 or 2 AM.
Sheriff Joe (Arpaio) disputes that, saying to a HLN reporter that Arias is awakened at 4 or 5 AM, fed half her breakfast, then bused to the courthouse. She is allowed by the county jail to eat the rest of her breakfast for lunch. Her dinner meal is served around 6 PM back at the jail. Her meals total 2600 calories per day, but she could be allowed more calories if needed.
On a lighter note, I found a picture of a Vegas personality (Coco Austin) wearing a 'bandage' dress very similar to Meri's.
As you can see, it does takes a certain body type and attitude to rock that dress! Having a svelte waistline helps, too.
UPDATE!!!!
Okay, seems like we got some eagle eyed peeps who don't agree with my first assessment... That's kool (sorry DJ !!)
So being that I can't just jump on the next flight to Vegas, rent a car and drive to the cuddle sac, I did the next best thing.
Yep, I fired up Google Maps!!
Take a long hard look at the scenery in the picture above...
Now study the pictures below (courtesy Google Maps)
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| WEST of the cuddlesac |
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| NORTH of the cuddlesac |
Your challenge is to decide:
1) Which view best represents Janelle's photo (WEST or NORTH view)
2) Is the pool Janelle's or someone elses
Let's have some fun with this!! Good Luck!!
Alrighty then. My original conclusion was....WRONG. Here's the background on how I came to my NEW and IMPROVED conclusion...
Something about the tweet picture just didn't make sense...and it was THE BRICK FENCE GOING LEFT TO RIGHT!
You see, if that was Janelle's house, that fence would be separating her house from Christine - totally contrary to the backyards all being connected requirement set by Kody.
So before I went to Google maps, I wrote down 4 things to look for:
1. the mountain in the background
2. the clump of thick green trees
3. the utility poles near those trees
4. the unusual brick fence running left to right
Once I checked out Google Maps, I realized it was still possible the pool was located in the gated cul de sac, but that it most definitely was not located at any of the Brown's McMansions!
The view is North, there's a brick fence on the west (left) side and the North side. This house must be located in the Northwest corner of the gated cul de sac at a neighbor's house.
Once I got on Google Map, I could account for all 4 of the items I had to find to support my conclusion.
Finally, that brick fence (4) could be seen in this Google map view:
Which would correspond to this property:
As Juan Martinez will say (hopefully soon) I rest my case...
Wait Wait!! Just one more thing!
I noticed that there are people responding to Janelle's tweet, but the conversations are not showing on her tweet account (at least not for me). If you put her twitter name @JanelleBrown117 in the search box, when the results come up, click on Tweets: All and you'll see those comments (scroll down).
From what I can tell of those comments, fans have put 2 and 2 together and now realize (well, some of them) that the Browns did get those McMansions. Of course, Janelle has taken the stance of IGNORING the comments, like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand. This might work with Kody, but maybe she should have been a little more careful and just zoomed in on the kids in the pool.
No information why the cancellation, just that "Court will be unable to proceed today". Short and sweet. I did hear one of the HLN reporters saying that Jodi's female attorney made a point of saying to one of the Sheriff deputies "Make sure she takes her medication!" after an earlier hearing (on a court related matter but before a different judge) had finished.
Apparently, court was cancelled due to Arias suffering from a migraine headache, which could explain why her attorney made that statement. Also, a family friend is claiming Arias is being awakened on court days way too early, at 1 or 2 AM. Sheriff Joe (Arpaio) disputes that, saying to a HLN reporter that Arias is awakened at 4 or 5 AM, fed half her breakfast, then bused to the courthouse. She is allowed by the county jail to eat the rest of her breakfast for lunch. Her dinner meal is served around 6 PM back at the jail. Her meals total 2600 calories per day, but she could be allowed more calories if needed.
On a lighter note, I found a picture of a Vegas personality (Coco Austin) wearing a 'bandage' dress very similar to Meri's.
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Photos from Vegas Kool
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As you can see, it does takes a certain body type and attitude to rock that dress! Having a svelte waistline helps, too.
I noticed some protesting a tad too much about having an off topic post. I would suggest just skimming (it's REALLY easy) and reading the parts you are interested in. With so little going on with the Browns, and such other great topics to be had, being the free birds we are, we will put up and discuss anything we like! In Other words, don't complain.
ReplyDeleteThe joys of having your own blog......
That's what I do, Im a new poster and I actually really like the off-topic posts
DeleteThat pool party in the above photo. Looks like a pool placed in the middle of a cement parking lot. How awfull. No greenery, no loungers....hideous.
Deletedosnt that say everything?anon 11 14? no imagination..no landscaping..just plain pool plopped in a yard...its a brown pool
DeleteI get the impression that lawns and such are kind of verboten in LV, due to the amount of water they require.
DeleteI couldn't live in LV, although I know many people love it. I need green and the occasional fog bank!!!
I really like the off topic pages because sometimes there is something you want to say or ask and are not sure where to put it. You sure had lots of comments because within two days your comments were at max...good for you.
DeleteLove your comment Mister Sister. Been coming here since the start. Rarely post, always read. You guys are very nice, but some can be pushy. We appreciate everyone's hard work! Ladies that run this blog, "Keep Sweet"!!
Deletejk
Is the house with the pool owned by a family or is it owned by a rental/builder company?
ReplyDeleteEveryone I know with a pool is very careful about inviting kids over lest their pool be overrun 24x7.....
I think you're 100% right about where that pool is located. And that property actually has ROOM for a pool. No room on the south end of the cult-de-sac. Good investigative work!
ReplyDeleteI think you are right too about her pool. But also, weren't they all going to share a huge backyard, a la Big Love style?
ReplyDeleteThank you AZChristian! I LOVE Google Map!!!
Delete...weren't they all going to share a huge backyard, a la Big Love style?
I know that was Kody's 'dream' but I think the reality (and AZChristian may be able to confirm this) those houses are soooo huge there is very little backyard. So they may not have fences separating the houses, but the ability to have a common play area and swimming pool (like on Big Love) is impossible. Just not enough room.
I see that a couple of the houses on the circle north of them are closer to the street, allowing room in the back for a pool or play area. But it looked to me like the Browns had opted to move the front of their houses further back from their circle, leaving them very little room in the rear. (See the tan roof on the right in the north part of the circle. The two houses on the south end of their circle are THAT close to a busy 4-lane highway.) There "might" be room for a small pool (we in AZ call them "play pools") between a couple of the houses, but a pool that size would NOT be large enough to accommodate all of the Browns - they'd have to take turns.
DeleteI guess I'm just going to have to go back to Vegas to scout this all out again. LOL.
Well, on top of what the other posters have stated, I'm pretty certain this pool isn't in any of their backyards.
Delete* There is no room for a pool in any one yard.
* The orientation is off.
* One of Kody's 'new' main reasons for them to live in separate homes vs. a fourplex/Lehi-style home is resale value; if the Brown Brainiacs put a pool spanning more than one yard, resale would become ultra tricky = poor resale value.
* Why spend the money on a pool when "mere mortal"s are willing to host the entire Kody Krew, footing the water, food, and insurance bills...just sayin'
Man, I would hate to have to keep track of all those kids and access to a pool. Very dangerous the possibility of a drowning.
DeleteIn response to CJ's post from the last page.
ReplyDeleteThe presentation was a mix of Brown family members as well as the main LIV spokesperson. VEEEERRRRYYY BOOORRRING. Snacks were healthy vegetables and what not (Impressed). The only thing to drink was the green goo. Yes Kody was there. I have no idea why they trust perfect strangers into their home – they are asking for it. I am guessing that they hold this in their house because they are too mortgage poor to rent a conference room (C’mon you knew that one! Hah!) The room was full (30 – 40 people including Browns and their regular LIV cult). I would NEVER buy into this and I made that clear to them from the beginning which is probably why I was not paid that much attention to. One person claimed to have bought $2000 (which was the highest amount) into the whole scheme. I forget the lowest start up amount… sorry. As far as getting invited back, I specifically told them I was not going to buy into the “cool aide” because I DO NOT LIKE THAT DRINK AT ALL. I was STILL invited to another event but they never followed up. So I think they essentially gave up on my friend and I. I cannot say if they are making that much off of all this but I will say this: If they weren’t making money then why is Kody driving a new car around and inviting perfect strangers into their homes for this business? Do I think the average Joe can make good money off of this MLM? NO! I had several people in this meeting try to sell me some of theirs (that they had bought) and we politely declined. I did not see anyone try to buy the product from the fans who HAVE bought in, BUT I did see several people “Brown Nose” the Brown’s and buy from them. I think that the only ones who benefit are the Brown family. They do not care about their fans well being at all. I think their view is that they are gracing everyone with their presence and that should be enough. I even had one woman admit to me she is just buying in so she can come back to more meetings. She doesn’t even like the stuff.
PS It makes your teeth turn green.
If they weren’t making money then why is Kody driving a new car around
DeleteThe car Kody drives was an incentive for being a top recruiter (if memory serves) based on dollars brought in. On the LIV website, it used to have a section that highlighted their top producers and showed the incentives. One was a free cruise, the other was a car (lease paid by LIV). This was discussed last year on SWB. He's had that car over a year now. Anyway, I think he actually poured his OWN money into buying that crap in order to qualify for the car and director standing (at that time).
Good grief, why would anyone want to drink that stuff? Turning your teeth green? No Thanks!
Thank you so much for the information IDWIW !!
Glad you brought up the point about them having perfect strangers into their home. That hit me right away.
DeleteWho would do that?? Other than very naive, stupid people.
It's one thing if they were not celebs and had valid reasons to believe the guests really would be future downliners, but given their notoriety did it not occur to them that *some* fans can be a bit "off"....as in stalker?? And you have them in your home?!
Those poor 17 kids have dim-witted "children" for parents.
Wow. He bought a boat load of LIV so that they would lease a car for him?! Just wow! Why not just... oh never mind. Thanks for bringing me up to date on this. I was very curious.
DeleteI will admit I have more I would love to dish but I think I will wait for more time to pass because I am not all that comfortable telling certain details of my interaction because it would definitely give my identity away. I often wonder if the Browns read this blog. They would know who I was if I DID disclose certain facts about my interactions with them. Plus, like I said before I don't hate the people... I just highly disrespect them.
Wow IDWIW, thanks for all the great insight about ur experience w/ the Browns. So no pastries on Meri's wetbar @ the LIV shindig??... Lol jk
DeleteRead pinktruth.com to find out how those MLM "free car" schemes work. CJ is probably not far off the mark. The way Mary Kay works is - if the team of the sales director who has the "free car" doesn't make her sales goals that month, she's on the hook to pay the lease and insurance costs for that month (or a portion). So it's not just contingent on Kody's "sales" but how much his Downline buys as well. I'm guessing that a big part of the "work" the wives do that they always talk about is calling their suckers - oops I mean Downline - to make sure they order, sign people up, etc - anything to meet their sales goal.
DeleteOh and also, the lease is billed at full cost - not like you would negotiate with a dealer, but the full normal price of the lease. It's all a spiral.
Thanks for the info!!
Caramel Brownie - They didn't even use the wet bar!!!! It was literally just in the way. I am so glad you brought that up because it was one of the things that bugged me. The appetizers were all on the island in the kitchen.
Deleteseems very naive and just flat out careless to invite STRANGERS into your home for one of these events, hello?!?
DeleteI am a total nobody and I wouldn't be keen on inviting people I don't know into my home, around my children for some mlm gimic charade.
Doesn't surprise me a bit that Meri's not using the wet bar. We never used the one in our house growing up except as a place to put junk mail!
DeleteOne other thing about the car - it's also meant to be free advertising exactly the way you described - you figured they had a brand new car so they must be doing amazing. That's the way MK works too. I've gone to a few MK "parties" and always one of the sales directors would show up in her pink Cadillac to impress us potential suckers...it's all bs.
Not using the the wet bar... ha! Wonder if Janelle and Christine are upset about that!
DeleteIf Meri doesn't use the wet bar this next season I'm sure there will many fans commenting on her twitter page about that!
Speaking of twitter Robyn blocked me!!
DJ - Thank you for your insight. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the pressure is on for them to sale sale sale! Their pitch was high pressure and intense to say the least. Kody may very well have a lot of incentive to only cater to those fans willing to drink the cool aide since he would have to pay that lease if he can't get enough of those Downline buyers as you mentioned. They really don't want anything to do with fans that don't benefit them - very opportunistic people. This just goes to show that these people do not think about their future finances and well being at all. What a sad way to live.
DeleteAnybody wanting a green health drink.....run home, haul the veges out of your fridge and pulse them until liquified in your blender.....pour in a glass and knock it back - with or without vodka. Viola! Your own green goo!
Delete**Pt II**
Deleteanyway, I dropped the Melaleuca associate after about a year. Of course the guy who I had a crush on promptly cut me off - didn't return my calls, never talked to me even when we were at the same places etc. This is typical of people in MLMs trying to sell you...they act like you are the best of friends and/or all one big happy family - which is what pulls a lot of lonely people in - until you can't afford to be part of it anymore, or for whatever reason you can't contribute to their commissions or worse yet decide to pull out because you need to spend more time with your family or what have you (one of the sales pitches of MLMs is that you can work on your own time and have all this extra time to spend with your fam...doesn't work that way...) then they drop you like a hot potato. They use you then they throw you away when you're of no further use to them.
The last MLM I joined a few years ago was (as stated) being promoted by a couple of group X instructors, one of which I highly respect. the key product is a once-a-week cleanse along with some protein shakes. I liked the protein shakes and I did lose some weight doing the once a week cleanse although the stuff tasted like crap. I was told they could sell to me directly, but it would be cheaper if I was an associate. I told them from the get go that I was not planning on selling at all - I just wanted to buy for myself. Which I did for about a year, then when my associate membership lapsed, I didn't renew. no biggie.
If you've looked at the Browns' LIV page, there are posed photos (featuring Christine doing the duck face LOL!) of the family "enjoying" the green goo. I find them hilarious as it doesn't look like they are really enjoying it, and what Kody is drinking appears to be water.
anyway...wrote a novel. If you want to know more about MLMs, I would HIGHLY recommend not only reading Pinktruth.com but also googling for "Penn & Teller: Bullshit - Easy Money". VERY funny and VERY true about MLMs and how there is no way they can work for anyone except for the companies themselves and the people at the tippy-top of the pyramid. whew!
oh and one more thing about the wet bar. I think it was pretty clear that the wet bar wasn't really the true nature of Meri's beyotchfest - she wanted as big a place as the other wives, and the only way to justify getting one was to raise a stink about the wetbar since the builders kept saying that the wetbar only came with the bigger house option. Of course why would it matter really - again, LEGALLY, the leinholder/mortgagee is only looking at how much Meri/Kody can afford to pay (although how they figured they could pay $450K is beyond me...) and of course it made for more "drama" (if you want to call it that) on the show. Shit all I can say is that if the best F8F/the Browns can do for "drama" is to make up stuff about IVF/surrogacy and wetbars, then they must thank God, Krishna, Buddah, and Joseph Smith for SWB on a daily basis because I am NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO ONLY WATCHES THE SHOW BECAUSE OF THIS BLOG!!!!
Deleteoops looks like my novel (which I cut into two parts) got approved/uploaded in reverse order :)
Delete"The joys of having your own blog......"
ReplyDeleteAnd we are so lucky you all created and maintain this blog.
I forgot to mention...really like the new paint job on the blog. Nice !!!
Thx !!
Poor Jodi....as a migraine sufferer, I should be more sympathetic to her plight.
But Jodi, how come during your many, many days (14 to be exact) being on the witness stand during the direct examination by *your* team, you were so animated, so focused, and headache-free as you so willingly and descriptively and so non-stop gave the world a front row seat to your many sex exploits....*every, freakin detail* beyond what anyone needed to hear..and you looked so happy and titillated giving your testimony.
I just hope that Juan Martinez is very careful how he handles the DV expert. Otherwise he could alienate some of the jury. My guess is that at some point he is going to ask her if a battered woman would initiate kinky sex with someone she doesn't even live with...and actually lives hundreds of miles away from her alleged abuser. His cross examination should be interesting.
I don't think the DP will stand but I really hope she doesn't get a 2nd degree conviction.
That would mean that she would be out again in society sooner than later.
I keep going back to the collage of the shower pictures. There is the one with the haunting look in his eyes...this is the only one that is bright enough to see details. Some have said they can see two people reflected in his eyes but I could only see two dark shapes. The one following is where Travis is sitting in the shower...because the bullet went from the top of his head and lodged in his cheek, perhaps she did shoot him first. I would believe he did lunge at her but only because he had been shot. That would scare the crap out of her to know he wasn't dead. Maybe that is when the camera was dropped which is the next picture.
DeleteIf he made it down the hall...probably trying to get out or for a phone I bet he collapsed and that is where she cut his throat. I think it is interesting in her demonstration of him lunging at her....she cocks her head to the side as if to prove that is the angle of the bullet...as he was taller than her.
Also this was such a secret trip it looks like premeditation to me. Just my opinion.
Slept into Debt
There were two people reflected in his eyes......one was Jodi, the other was the devil!
DeleteI would have a migraine too if I had just figured out I was likely going to be condemed to a death sentence.
DeleteSlept in Debt,
Delete"Also this was such a secret trip it looks like premeditation to me"
This is a really glaring point. She DID plan that trip to be incognito, went out of her way to be under the radar. It is too, too obvious a point to miss. Hopefully Martinez will highlight that in his summation.
Also when HLN showed actual film footage of the bathroom, the bathroom is not large at all and the shower stall itself is VERY small. I still can't believe that after stabbing and cutting his throat, she dragged his body back in there and then folded him up to fit so the door would close, given how small the stall is.
And...she had to be covered in blood after doing that. Wonder what happened to those clothes?
Lunging at her as he came "out" of the shower is a fake illusion.
Too bad the prosecution didn't take the jury on a field trip to actually view the scene and see the size and layout of the bathroom and closet. It would help their perspective.
He had only to take "a step" or stumble and he would be right in front of her.
I agree with you, she did not expect him to survive a dead on, point blank shot in the head. That's when she panicked and went on a hunt for a knife. Apparently she must have dropped the gun after she shot him and didn't have any time or extra ammo to reload the gun and shoot him again till the deed was done.
Her lurid sex with the rope story conveniently put the knife in the alleged vicinity.
The whole linebacker story is also so ridiculous...there wasn't enough room from the shower to the center of the bathroom for him to rev up and lunge linebacker-style and tackle her...while shot in the head.
I think like you do.....
That after he was shot, *HE* was the one struggling *to get away* from her...probably to a phone for help.
No such thing as a devil....just an imaginary thought. I think hideaous blood curdling fear is what he felt. Horrible way to die, over being too horny for your own good.
DeleteYes the devil is real......just ask a holocaust survivor.
DeleteI agree with you amused, about shot first then stabbed. But what about lack of blood in his head? Medical examiner said Travis had "Bled out" before he was shot.
DeleteBut what about lack of blood in his head? Medical examiner said Travis had "Bled out" before he was shot
DeleteFrom what I understand, the ME made that opinion because the amount of decomposition made it impossible to determine how much bleeding the bullet actually caused.
The whole linebacker story is also so ridiculous...there wasn't enough room from the shower to the center of the bathroom for him to rev up and lunge linebacker-style and tackle her...
I thought Arias said the sequence went like this...
-she dropped the camera while taking pictures in the shower area
-Travis got mad, picked her up and bodyslammed her to the tile floor
-she was able to get up and ran to the closet for the gun.
-Travis came into the closet...got into his linebacker pose and lunged at her, with his head turned slightly to the left (i think she said)
-the gun in her hand went off, hitting Travis just above his left eyebrow
-it's all a fog what happened next
Too bad the prosecution didn't take the jury on a field trip to actually view the scene and see the size and layout of the bathroom and closet. It would help their perspective.
That was discussed on HLN, apparently the bathroom has been remodelled by the new owners so it wouldn't do any good to take the jurors on a tour. It's all different now.
I also think Arias shot Travis first, thinking he would immediately die. When he got up coughing blood, walking over to the sink (I think to see what damage had been done to his face) she had to think fast and got the knife. She started stabbing him (probably outside the bathroom) Her first stab was the fatal one to his chest, he tried to make his way out of the bedroom. He fell down, and started crawling towards the door. Arias stabs him 9 times in the back and back of his head. When he gets to the bedroom door, he's almost bled out, but Arias sits on his back (or maybe stands over his back) grabs his hair, pulls his head back and slits his throat. When he finally dies, she pulls him back into the shower stall and tries to clean up the mess.
Oh yes, on the how big was the closet, this is where Martinez had that exchange with Arias.
DeleteHe said something like are you sure he got into the linebacker pose in the closet, it doesn't seem like it was large enough. Arias said the closet was big, that it was bigger than the cell she's living in. Martinez then said something like I didn't ask you about where you are living now...
I agree, even Jodi slipped up once and said she didn't agree with medical examiner....where was her fog then?
DeleteI was looking at the Jodi Arias Killing Timeline on YouTube. Their theory is the stab wound to the chest came first while he was sitting in the shower. Could be possible too, and that as he turned to the sink that the blood shot all over the walls, then he tried to get away down the hall. They say she put him back in the shower to wash all her DNA off of him...I never thought of that. I just can't see even wanting to kill her over dropping the camera...it would have been on warranty. She was just so bitter.
DeleteSlept into Debt
Dear Cynical Jinx, Very good synopsis of the evidence being presented. Thank you.
DeleteI should have said in the sequence which I posted was that this is what is in "my mind"....that she shot him while he was in shower and he stumbled out, still alive but wounded and frantic to get away from her....then she went into panicked overdrive with the frantic "uh,oh" he isn't dead, I have to finish this somehow" and then the stabbing and throat slitting began.
DeleteI agree....dropping the camera, which if it even happened that way, he would not have attacked her for that..(dripping wet and nude.)
I did hear that about the lack of blood in the brain, and did wonder how she would have cleaned up the scene if he bled out. Once she cut his throat his carotid and jugular would have been pumping blood. That would have been a massive amount of blood. Maybe she finished him off after she dragged him back to the shower where it would have gone drain the drain ??? Dunno know?! But since he was in advanced decomposition, it cannot be determined for sure.
And to think that she locked the bedroom door when she left the house after the murder to make it even harder for someone to find him.
The debacle with the fan and Martinez is unfortunate. I hope this does not affect his credibility with the jury in trying this case for the state.
Kurt Nurmi and Jennifer Wilcott no doubt will try to use that on appeal if she is convicted.
Thx CJ, for the clarification on the bathroom being remodeled. I didn't know that piece.
That makes sense now why the state didn't take the jury to the scene.
Hi Amused!
DeleteSorry but this may be unsettling to some readers...
I heard that the throat slitting happened at the door of his bedroom where there was a HUGE blood stain in the carpet. Also there was a continuous wide horizontal swath of blood on one hallway wall leading back to bedroom as well as various blood drops/sprays and Arias' bloody handprint (that contained both her blood and Travis') along the other side of the hallway wall.
And to think that she locked the bedroom door when she left the house after the murder to make it even harder for someone to find him
Oh please jury, do the right thing and convict this murderer of 1st degree premeditated murder!!
CJ or Amused: do you know anything about the room mates, was one of them home at the time? Did they notice an odour after a few days? What happened to the little dog?
DeleteSlept into Debt
do you know anything about the room mates, was one of them home at the time? Did they notice an odour after a few days? What happened to the little dog?
DeleteFrom what I've heard on HLN, Arias KNEW that one of the roommates was due back at the house between 6:30-7:00pm so she had like less than hour to clean up and get out of there so they wouldn't see her. They theorized that was why the rear license was upside down on the rental car - in her haste to get the heck out of there, she didn't notice she put the license plate on wrong. She also had enough presence of mind to let the dog out (I heard).
They also mentioned that she ran the shower to clean off the blood on his body, and shut and locked the bedroom door. The roommates apparently didn't notice an odor and I think I heard they thought Travis was away in Cancun. When it became known that Travis was missing, that was when they went to his bedroom, got the door open and found his body in the bathroom.
Uhhh !!! Thx again, CJ.
DeleteThinking about that blood scene, on the carpet, swath down the hall, on the wall, in the sink...in the shower...
And this freak is saying she doesn't remember any of that part...!!
A complete fog after she shoots him, during which time she then stabs him to death, shoves him in the shower stall, cleans herself up, puts the camera through a cycle in the washing machine. puts the knife through a cycle in the dish washer....
Repacks her car, locks his house, calls his cell phone (twice) and leaves covering messages, tosses the gun in the desert, makes sure the infamous rope is nowhere to be found....
Drives for hours to the other guy's house, has *dry* sex with him (just hours after she has killed Travis) and interacts as normal with this guy and others while at his house....
No abnormal anything observed by him other than the guy noticing what she told him were *new* "work-related" cuts on one hand...!!!
I think once Arias dropped the "I wasn"t there, I didn't do it" lie and then dropped the "Two black-clothed killers broke in, killed Travis and I got away and I didn't call 911 because they stole my ID and would find me and kill me too" lie.....
Once she was cornered with no where to run, she began crafting the self defense. battered/abused story. As experts have said, she would have been smarter to plea insanity...except it's likely her deranged ego would never be content with that.
She has had FOUR years to work up and fine tune this phony storyline.
I share your pleas with the jury. She is a danger to society.
Convict her, if not for slaughtering her victim, then for society's sake.
IDWIW
DeleteThank you for your posts! the Browns open themselves up, so I would not feel bad making a review of them. If you watch their show, they certainly review what they think of everything.
Honestly, When Christine didn't want her kids to go to a Christian school with the sharks, but sent her kids to a HUGE High school, it really showed her ignorance and her AUB ways. My kids go to a Catholic School and we are not Catholic, but I checked, and they go over simple scriptures and prayers, and most religion based school are more streamlined now to include a wider base. SHARKS she said.
I just wish you could tell us more about their personalities and how they behaved.
Impressive investigation skills!!! Very interesting.
ReplyDeleteBeats the do it yourself cement pad she was planning on. But personally? Would have voted to put the pool in Meri's back yard ;) Let her deal with the noise and commotion!
Hey CJ great investigative work on the pool bc honestly I thought my brain was going to explode trying to put 2 & 2 together & figure it all out...lol
ReplyDeleteAlso Amused, I like ur updates on the Arias trial bc I haven't been watching it faithfully, just off & on...but its great to know I can come to SWB & get up to spped via ur detailed posts & others who also post about it. So thank you all for help keeping me informed & in the loop of the Arias trial :)
BTW, I like the new look of SWB. I meant to compliment the Admins much sooner, but it kept slipping my mind...lol
Oh yeah, I just still can't get over Meri's blue disaster of an outfit! I mean DAMN does her SW & bonus kids dislike her that much to allow her to leave the house looking like that, knowing DAMN good
ReplyDelete& well she's gonna be making public appearances?? Heck, Kody was probably too scared to suggest she wear something else...lol
I know that if by chance I select a less flattering outfit to wear, my hubby, family, or close friends don't have a problem saying, "R u seriously gonna wear that?"...haha
No kidding Caramel! How hideous is that outfit. What is with the black stretch exercise pants? If you don't have the legs why wear the outfit?
DeleteIt is a free country however, she can dress as horribly as she wants.....and she wants to apparently.
Ditto Anon at 11:19. Are there no mirrors in their McMansions?
DeleteThe thought of what I would look like in a bandage dress now vs even 5 yrs ago kinda makes me ill. Even when I was thin, i certainly didn't dress to show my bod. Just was never into it.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the info IDWIW!
ReplyDeleteI think the commenter mentioned Meri's furniture, so I'm guessing the LIV thing was in her house. I would bet they're having all of the presentations in the same house, and then writing off much of the mortgage interest as a home business. This would certaily help her justify her empty rooms; not sure one can write off interest on rooms if they are actually used (Like for children's bedrooms). And if it's Meri's house strangers are going to, at least we don't have to worry about the safety of most of the Brown children.
But doesn't the IRS require proof that an actual profit is being made?
DeleteI'm sure Meri writes off what she can for LIV and Robyn does the same for the jool-erie, so the two of them are like "we're covered, Jenelle and Christine, you better figure something out" and Kody goes "I'm with Meri"
DeleteI don't really know how it actually works, but I've known some people who "wrote off" one room of their house as a center for their business. I don't think you have to show a profit; but rather the sq footage you write off is deducted from your basis in the house. (I think.)So, for example, if 20% of the space in your house is for your business, you can deduct 20% of the costs of the house from your taxes as a business expense. Including mortgage interest, electricity, maid serice (ha!), anything. But then when you sell the house, it effects that somehow. Since we all think the Brown's will be foreclosed on rather than sell, it may be another way for them to take advantage of tax laws, etc. now.
DeleteMeri could be claiming several empty rooms this way I bet; 1 with a computer and desk in it for business transactions; 1 as a packaging and mail-holding room, 1 to host the sales meetings in, etc.
I think what you have to be most careful of if you do this, is that the IRS cannot prove you use the rooms for other things, like as a kids bedroom, or a livingroom, etc. May explain why she and Koduche insisted she have such a big house.
Then again, I may not know what I'm talking about, as I've never had a home office!
Jenelle and Christine can each have a home office for their real estate business "stuff".
DeleteMy understanding is that you only get a few years of not being profitable before the IRS considers the business a hobby, and no longer allows such deductions.
DeleteI could be wrong though.
My 2 Cents....you are right.
DeleteCPA Carol needs to chime in ***SWB TO CPA CAROL COME IN STAT!!!***
DeleteMy bestie who is a professor and also writes articles on the side does deduct part of her mortgage expenses I think because she does work at home, but she is able to show a real profit and she also works very closely with her accountant to ensure that she is within the guidelines. However, I doubt that either Janelle or Christine is able to deduct anything for their "real estate business". for one thing, they aren't really "realtors" - they are glorified admins AND they have an office at TMI, and they only work part time. I telecommute/work from home part time, and I can't deduct any part of MY rent, I've checked.
The Browns pay 135.00 a month per house for home owner association fees...i wonder if their are restrictions in the HAO about conducting business in the home. I know there were in mine about using a house for a business.
DeleteI run a home business, and so thoroughly researched all of my tax deduction possibilities this year. :) Home office space is no different than any other business deduction, so if you can still claim your other expenses, you can claim your office. I believe you have three years to show a loss, before you revert to a "hobby". I'm in the black so it didn't matter to me, but my "space" is used for a million things (young family, small house!) so I didn't attempt to claim it.
DeleteWhoa, $135/ month per house really adds up! That's an extra $540/month & $6480/yr for their expenses. That's $$ that could easily be used for groceries, kids necessities, medical/dental,emergencies, or heck just to be putting away in savings. The Brown's illogical thinking & horrible financial habits never cease to amaze me...smh I mean,about 3 yrs ago, they could barely pay their mortgage, bills, & food in Lehi & here they are today just spending $$ frivously & shamelessly. Oh how hard & harsh the landing will be, when they finally fall off the high horse they rode in on. Pride comes before a fall & this is gonna hurt like a motherf**k'r!!!
DeleteIsn't it ridiculous? It's all for the show. Definitely not a modest bunch. I believe they are now in the county, and could easily have bought a spot and built 4 homes with no HOA's.
DeleteI always wondered exactly what services they receive in exchange for the HOA fees, since the houses all appear to be single family dwellings. Is it to maintain the gate? or are the yards maintained? insurance? WTF? I mean I can see the reasoning behind an HOA for a condo unit but these are single family dwellings for crying out loud...
DeleteThere was more information in the records regarding the houses. Since they were new construction more hard facts became available months after closing. Meris house was 9,000 bucks more than the others. The extra features were available on closing info updated. They all have the same square footage and bedrooms. They all have a pantry and decks and patio slabs with gas for bbq. They all have balconys and covered patios.
DeleteThose HOA dues seem outrageous to me. My parents live in a subdivision with an HOA and their dues are $50 a year. It goes toward maintaining the front entrance (mowing, planting flowers, repairs to the brick sign, etc...). And any money left over is used for block parties. That's in a neighborhood with less than 50 houses and no gate. Maybe the Browns HOA dues pay the gate guard. I wonder if the dues will decrease as more houses sell.
DeleteThanks for the shout out! Generally you get about 2-3 years to show a 'hobby' is actually a 'business' and you are trying to make money. The IRS is very particular about home office deductions. For instance, if you claim a home office deduction, you have to prove you never use the room for anything other than business. If you have 17 kids/bonus kids I would think that would be a hard thing to prove (i.e. kids on the computer, doing homework etc). Of course, you are only really 'caught' if you are audited...I don't know if the Browns would necessarily fall under the IRS radar....but I generally advise extreme caution on 'home office' deductions.
DeleteI was thinking today that if plural marriage became legal, I wonder how polygamists would file their tax returns. Married filing jointly jointly and jointly? I would actually prefer that because it would reduce tax fraud. For years prior to the TLC gravy train, all but Meri were claiming Head of Household with many dependents and paying no tax (earned income credit). So I wonder how the IRS would interpret plural families should they ever become legal.
Regarding the amount of the HOA - I'm guessing the association only consists of the 9 overpriced houses not a whole slew of comparatively moderately priced homes. So there are fewer owners to carry the risk and expenses. I doubt that the "gated community" has a gate person. More than likely its just an automated gate and all the owners get remotes. Lol after awhile I predict that the residents will just get annoyed with having to remember to bring their remotes (the gate is really just a status symbol more than a security method) and leave the gate open 24/7 sooner or later - I see that happen frequently at gated comms here. Obviously since we've seen snaps of the Browns moving in, the gate really doesn't mean diddly.
DeleteBtw most people I know who have HOAs here in the Bay Area are paying WAY more than $135/month. But again it's all relative - $450k would get you a 1 or 2 bedroom condo here which is why I'm satisfied to rent!!
Wow, Anon at 9:02pm, your parent's HOA fees are great! Mine were over 4 times that amount five years ago and I considered myself very fortunate. Other's fees in the same general area (more upscale developments) were running anywhere from #400-$1200/month or more.
DeleteI received 24 hour security in a large gated community, but paid for my own garbage collection, lawn maintenance, etc. My HOA fees paid for community landscaping, road maintenance, security, community employees, community recreation areas, etc.
All that said... I can't imagine what the Browns are getting for their HOA dues which seem outrageous. All I can imagine is that they're paying for the gate which should be paid off in a few years, landscaping (which doesn't look to be very extensive at all), and garbage removal. As others have said, this is just another example of their poor financial decision making and money management.
FYI for anyone on the west coast, season two airing right now on Discovery Fit & Health...really odd network choice, but I know they're sister-networks with TLC
ReplyDeleteI think the Browns read here. I know if there was a blog about my show, I'd read it. Even if it was negative and hurt my feelings, I think curiosity would get the best of me. I try to be mindful of what I say here. I love this blog. It has tons of great info. I like to offer my opinion on their relationships with each other and their "lifestyle" in general. I try not to comment on physical appearance because for me that just crosses the line ... Unless you think you are hot and you're really not ... LOL. One time I was reading through the kids tweets and they were joking about being orange and calling each other oompah loompas (no kidding). That confirmed for me that they read here.
ReplyDeleteI don't worry about being "mindful" here re: worrying what the Browns read. They enter here at their own risk - including their kids that are under 18 and shouldn't be reading here anyway. I agree about remarking on people's physical appearances that they have no control over but i don't worry about snarking about their outfits they choose to wear - especially when it's obvious Meri and Robyn both DO think they're hot stuff and are very self-centered and narcissistic like Kodilocks is as well. They chose to market themselves and go public and when you do that - you put your big girl panties on and grow a thick skin w/the dissenters who don't really care for you and what you're promoting.
DeleteThey have their own FB page where they have TONS of rabid adoring fans oohing and aahing over every ridiculous thing these people do and say. That more than offsets this snark blog for their ego-rush. I've only been able to bring myself to peek in at that place a couple of times. I feel like I entered the Twilight Zone both times.
fwiw- as far as snarking on the kids themselves - i've only done that re:mariah a couple of times. sadly, she's a meri clone and i feel bad that her siblings are forced to deal w/her in the same manner the other wives have to deal w/her mother. neither one of them are likable and probably can't understand why. But i really see people here always supporting all the other kids and feeling bad for this situation they were born into and watching the pain of their mothers and basically not having a real relationship w/their Peter Pan/Tinkerbell acting daddy.
My thoughts exactly. The Browns CHOSE to put themselves out there in order to make money (I don't believe for more than a minute that they are trying to make polygamy "acceptable" - if it DID become acceptable, then they wouldn't be "unique" now would they??) and they continue to use their fame/notoriety to scam people into buying their craptastic jewelry and sign up with their MLM and whatever other schemes they choose to concoct or participate in (and based on what I've read, they've been into the "get rich quick" money making schemes in the past, witness Janelle's pantry business which apparently went nowhere).
DeleteThe kids for the most part are off limits, but Mariah and the over 18ers who choose to put themselves out there are adults and no longer children. I do believe that Logan is focused on college and not so much on the show and now only participates under duress at this point. Mariah on the other hand IMO appears to be courting the attention by openly stating she wants to be a plyg like her mom. Sure they were born into it, but once they are adults they can make the decision for themselves which direction to choose.
As far as the Arias trial, if memory serves that came up here at SWB because of the LDS/Mormon connection. I do have friends who are LDS, and they for the most part are embarassed/mortified by the Browns and other plyg groups and their reactions to the topic have ranged from scorn to disassociation and most will say the Browns are not really Mormons at all. At any rate, I find the Arias trial interesting and it does tie into the Browns to my mind not because of the Mormon connection, but because of the abusive relationships (although I think that it was more on Arias' side than her boyfriend's). Plus it's hella interesting and I don't get much of an opportunity to follow on my own, so I appreciate the updates and the insights of the folks here who ARE following it. :)
Anon 12:47 here ... To Anon 8:44, I totally get that and agree with you. I was just saying I don't remark on physical appearance personally and just noting that the kids more than likely read here. I agree that any well balanced individual - man, woman, or child - needs to understand that not everyone is going to like you and fawn all over you in this life. One of the reasons I love this blog is because I so disagree with so much about the Browns and I'm quite irritated by all the sugary sweet comments on their pages. I'm just glad I'm not the only one who can see through them. I think reading the constructive or even negative comments can be useful if they allow them to be. We are all on the same page here :)
DeleteIf they would only work as hard on their show as they did running around, they just might have a show.
ReplyDeleteAgreed!
DeleteI think they maybe have 1, 2 seasons if they're real lucky left, there just isnt enough substance
ReplyDeleteHonestly, i would already be done with them if it weren't for this blog. This place livens up their boredom factor into a fun snarkfest! Guess that's why my husband leaves the room when i'm watching them. Since he doesn't participate here, he doesn't get how i can possibly stand to keep watching the Brown drivel. I couldn't if i couldn't come here to vent and laugh and reboot my brain cells after watching!!
DeleteWatching the Browns is a waste of life.....let's face it. However, it is your life to waste as you wish. Watch on!
Delete@anon 8:29 exactly, I watch more to understand whats being discussed on here than I do for enjoyment. It's like the car accident on the freeway, you can't help but look
DeleteYou sound like my husband....John is that you? Lol
DeleteActually, I think it's my honey!lol
DeleteDuck Dynasty family is holding up production on their show for more money. What that tells us is that the family gets paid as a group and that the browns are not making much on their show. Duck dynasty is a huge hitand they are asking for 200, 000 an episode. Makes me think that the browns cacan't be making a quarter of that. Plus duck dynasty has the right demographics and a great marketing platform. Can't wait to see the browns trying to keep that lifestyle.
ReplyDeleteThe Robertson family had a pretty decent following BEFORE they even had a reality tv show too, they sold hunting dads on their website, i'm pretty sure thats how their show got started. I am sure they will get it too, or at least I hope haha, they are one family I actually enjoy watching.
DeleteWOW - I have never watched the show but 8.6 million viewers and a 3.9 demographic makes the Browns look even more small time than they are!! wow.
DeleteI didn't know they were holding up production. Heck, they have made more shows in 2 QUICK seasons than the Browns total. DD is a GREAT show about a REAL LOVING FAMILY that... gasps... works.....
DeleteGood for them, they deserve more, the whole gang is on it, and they don't go on silly trips, but rather show day to day stuff. LOVE THAT SHOW!
Si's word of wisdom: "Hey!"
DeleteLike all eloquent speakers, he's short and sweet. :)
I checked out Duck Dynasty because it was brought up here. Best reality show ever! Those folks love each other, have great camera presence, are actually hilarious. It reminds me of The Cake Boss. Big, noisy, funny family working together and doing good work. :) I do think their situations are staged--but it's all stuff I enjoy watching them doing, so I don't care. In fact, I watched the first episode I could get my hands on yesterday, and have now watched all they have available online. :) SWB turned me into a Duck Dynasty fan, jack! Hey!
DeleteHey!!!
DeleteI am a Duck dynasty BIG FAN!
Hey!!
Aren't they funny? No drama, just sweet little stories, like Willie's daughter is growing up. Planned, sure some of it is. But the love and little "wisdom" is cute and a great show to watch with your kids.
Now, everyone here says...
Hey!!
and Miss Kay's.... she GONE, He GONE.....
My English Teaching mother is rolling in her grave everytime I hear it come of of MY mouth!LOL (No, she'd loved the show too)
I for one, think that you SHOULD jump on a plane and check the "Pool Thing" out in person. It is the very least you should do for your loyal readers. We all consider it totally selfish that you haven't done this for us!
ReplyDeleteLOL! Have a great Easter Weekend all.
I think that CJ needs to hire the helicopter tour service that Kody (I mean the producers) procured for his "hot date" with Christine a couple seasons ago...live blog reporting!
DeleteMaybe we could all contribute a few bucks and make it happen! I live in the Pacific Northwest of Canada and getting to Vegas even from here a cheap jaunt.
Deletei swear it looks like Meri's got black pantyhose on PLUS the spanx leggings and blue bandage full girdle dress. she must have really wanted the sex factor going on for the venue she knew she was headed to. bless her heart!
ReplyDeleteMeri's outfit! LOL! Pathetic Cow.
DeleteDoes anyone out there like Meri's outfit on her? Let's take a pole....maybe she reads this and would benefit from some stats on this.
DeleteI like the dress. I think it she wore a little sweater instead of the jacket and nude pantyhose instead of leggins it wouldn't be that bad!
DeleteThe dress is okay. Maybe go up a size since it looks very tight on her. Go bare legged or nude hose, a pair of pumps, drop the black shrug. Then it would look fine to me. The leggings really throw it off because that type of dress is not worn with cropped leggings.
DeleteNo! Bandage dresses are MEANT to be tight and do not look good unless you have an amazing body. Leggings under a tight dress? Blah! I don't understand the whole layering thing anyway. Skip the layering a wear a classy pantsuit or well-fitted pair of jeans and long-sleeved blouse! I don't get it! Also, black and turquoise combination? Yuck! I just have no good things to say about this outfit lol. She's frying up her hair with that straightener too.
DeleteAll that layering (undergarment,black pantyhose,leggings) added inches Meri did not need. Whoever sold her on wearing that outfit must really hate her!
DeleteI agree. A designer pantsuit, or even a beautiful designer blouse with black slacks and beautiful classy accessories. She doesn't look good in jeans and since she should be trying to look like the lady of the manor, she needs to redo that wardrobe. Hear me, Meri? Own your body, you are not skinny mini anymore. And I know she's not owning it because she looks embarrassed, and she should be!
Think Candy Spelling, or Oprah Winfrey(who shares Meri's body shape) - not a 20-something size 0 supermodel.
Or better yet, wear a glammed(accessory wise) up version of her sisterwife Janelle's style.
The first I seriously wonder, is where the Mere got that dress? Did she go to a store to buy it? Did she borrow it from her burlesque friend or one of her bonus children (Mariah is too modest to wear such a dress)? Did she get as a hand me down? Did she buy it at a garage sale/charity sale/goodwill?
DeleteShe probably thinks a bandage dress is just like any other dress, and that wearing it with leggings and a (too tight and too small) bolero top makes her look fashionable and hottest, yet still modest. Darn, is she wrong.
A dress like that should be worn with bare leggs or nude tights and without jacket.
To wear a dress like that you have to have a _FIGURE_. You don't have to be skinny, but there has to be some sort of silluete (you can't look like a 16 oz water bottle, there has to be a waistline, or at least a distinction in circumference between hips, waist and bossom).
If you have a figure but are not skinny, you should definately wear a "super duper" slimming level dress spanx... you know what.. whatever weight you have a dress like that ALWAYS looks better with spanx and a push up bra and the right attitude.
The mere looks like she is about to say something real nasty to her sweet gf sw's.
I like the color of the dress.
DeleteOr even just black tights with her hot mess dress and dress shoes would have been better.
Deletea dress appropriate for her body shape would have been EVEN better! :)
DeleteYep I know the dress is supposed to be a form fitting style, however I agree she should have gone up a size.
DeleteIt stinks when the size that should fit doesn't fit, but it happens, and its not the end of the world.
I, too, like the new beige/light brown background on the blog...just like the sandy, barren landscape around Las Vegas... That is why you chose those colors, right???? ;-)
ReplyDeleteTotally love the new background color. So much easier on the eyes and for hours of endless fun scouring each and every post for some interesting insights and information.
DeleteWell, just did it on a whim.... last time I changed it, I think I was the only one that liked it... so it stayed green for quite a while!!! I like it too.
Deletei thought the last one was stark white or something that was very glaring on the eyes?? This is muted and very soft on the eyes actually. Thanks for changing it.
DeleteThis background make reading the blog surreptitiously at work that much easier! Now, how can you make it look more like an Excel spreadsheet?
DeleteThanks!
DeletePeeking at work aye? Funny you say that, I HATE working with Excel. God Bless those of you that have to do that.
It's safe to say that at least one of the neighbors does not have a problem with cameras, kids and chaos in their little enclosed community they have there going on. Maybe they cut them a deal and might get some camera time of their own.
ReplyDeleteWe use your pool, you get 35 seconds on our "hit" TV show!
This made me LOL. I could just see them saying that.
DeleteI think Meri looks find in the dress.
ReplyDeleteCould the pool be for the entire community? Some subdivisions have them.
There are 9 lots in the culdesac - on each lot is one house. So it is not a community pool.
DeleteIf you haven't seen this post before, go to it, 2 video clips, one of the crazy Anne Wilde, and one of Kody and the BBC, how it all got started!
ReplyDeletehttps://sisterwivesblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/what-started-it-all-bbc-meeting-browns.html
You never see Joe Darger going, Vickie's kids, raise your hands WHOO HOO!!!!!
I swear, that line there is worth the LAUGH!!!!!!
Such a difference in families. I do not believe in their religion at all. Polygamy isn't the worst of it, false prophet Joseph Smith and his seer stone is. He had conned many ppl with this trick on land before coming up with a religion.
But Joe Darger, by choosing cousins and sisters, seems to have made up a much more loving family unit. Don't you agree?
No, I don't believe that for a second. Joe has three women who like being ruled by an autocrat. This doesn't mean they're a more loving family unit. They do what they're told. They tow the line and they smile about it. Of course each wife feels jealousy and hurt when Joe's on rotation. And the children see it too. With the exception of Meri, I think the 3 other Brown sister wives are very loving towards their gaggle of kids, and somewhat cooperative with each other. BTW, with the older kids doing more things away from the cult de sac, and the parents doing more "promotional" work, who's around to babysit? The young teens?
DeleteI quite enjoyed both the videos.
DeleteMeri, you mAY DISAGREE about Joe, but the video of Kody was hysterical and I am reading now about the Anne Wilde character... quite a character!!!!
No, I don't think the Dargers have anything better going for them - they just control their public image far more carefully.
DeleteI would imagine we would see Papa Joe be a 180 from Kody in the control freak dept. There's a happy medium between those two men. (thankfully, i'm married to a happy medium! and also NOT a plyg king!)
DeleteYes, Shocked 3/28 12:54pm, I agree with you about the Dargars. I don't approve of their lifestyle, and lost respect for them because they raise their beautiful girl children to think they have to share a man, and all of the grief that entails. I feel for their sons, too, it's just most of their beautiful littlest kids pictured on their facebook page are girls, so I "see" them more as victims.
DeleteHowever, I do think they have a happy, loving family. And maybe it's because the wives are related (who knows); after all, they grew up together, had their own relationships pre-Joe, and have cared about each other throughout their lives.
Totally hideous look on Meri.......looks like she has been slapped "black and blue" by the fashion fairy! LOL!
ReplyDeleteCall me crazy, but I just don't see the attraction of Las Vegas as a place to live if you can help it. It is ridiculously hot in the summer and the natural scenery is not exactly a picture postcard, although it has a certain appeal in a dry, deserty sort of way.
ReplyDeleteWe drove through LV last summer on a road trip to and from the San Francisco area for a wedding(we live in the midwest)because we wanted to go to the Lil' A'le'Inn in Rachel, NV as part of our adventure. (We also went to Roswell, NM---we were big fans of The X-Files) I'm just saying that of all the places on the planet the Browns could have "run" to, LV certainly isn't a place I would have picked. Where I live has its issues, too,(e.g. minus 20 degrees) but at least there is greenery. Also, the whole gambling/LV show thing is something I find very unappealing...we didn't stop in LV at all except to get gasoline.
I know some of the bloggers here call LV home. Sorry to "diss" your town. I realize it isn't all gambling and show girls---but, in the end, that is why the town came to be in the first place and that is what it is today essentially.
Which takes me to Utah---a place that gives me the creeps (and like, LV, I've been through there several times)---except for its outstanding and amazing natural beauty. To me, Salt Lake City has an alien feel (not as in aliens from outer space--which, BTW, I do NOT believe in) but it's the Mormon presence which permeates that part of the country (including parts of Arizona, Nevada, Idaho, etc.)that I find unsettling---as if I'm a stranger in a strange land. I've been in Temple Square and felt an uncomfortable "heaviness" that things were not right, that this was a place that was an anathema to God--not a place of God's presence. I don't have that same weird feeling when away from the towns and out in the wonders of what God created in what we call Utah---but I do in the cities and towns.
Then, getting to the Browns themselves, well, I've never been "on board" with the polygamy thing and each time I see pictures of the 5 of them together, smiling away, the "ick" factor just grows. Same with the Dargers. Why any woman would WILLINGLY accept this "lifestyle" is beyond rational thinking. While religious beliefs have a great "faith factor" God also created us to be thinking and reasoning human beings and we don't have to leave our brains at the door when considering the merits and realities of any religion...or the hard proofs thereof.
LV was built for the sole purpose of gambling and prostition. Perfect place for so called religious folks! NOT!
ReplyDeleteTo have "faith" you need to have a strong inclination into believing fairy tales.
Prostitution is illegal in the city of Las Vegas. In fact I watched a reality show this weekend on the Clark County Jail which showed the NIGHTLY roundup of prostitutes arrested while working illegally within city limits.
DeleteLas Vegas does have a large Mormon community, as well as other religions.
Please do not insult people who have chose to have "faith" and to live in Las Vegas.
This particular comment topic is closed. Thank you!
Has anyone seen Kody's new twitter picture, his user picture? Its a funky caricature...am i late on this? its CREEPY
ReplyDeleteThat was his FIRST twitter picture. His brothers have similar pictures. It looks like something you get at a fair or something. I believe if you look through some of the old twitter (like the I Scour the Internet) postings from 2011-2012 you'll see it.
DeleteAnd yes, it's....unusual looking!
LOL I had noticed he changed it back too. It is pretty creepy but apparently KODY likes it. bleagh.
Deleteseen that picture on janelles fridge on the first season
DeleteSeriously, I can't imagine another comment about that dress. PLEASE SW, do something, or open your mouths - we need something new to chew on.
ReplyDeleteBe careful what you wish for with the Brown SW bunch!
DeleteI shudder to think what's next with them...
Anony 4:43 p - ok, here's one that i don't remember being discussed here last December. Go to Kody Brown Family page on FB and check out King Kodouche as a nutcracker designed as him and his 4 loverly princesses surrounding his royal hiney. It was for a fundraiser auction for the las vegas ballet. There's even a few snarky comments about it still left up over there. hah!
DeleteOk, so I am on netflix again, and getting really annoyed with Robyn attempting to discipline the teenagers during some family discussions. Maybe its just bringing back horrible feelings of my youth and step parents but geez, she was only married to their dad for a few short months at this point, madison gave a blunt "are we done?" go her!!
ReplyDeleteAlso, when they first got to Vegas she says something about waiting a while after getting married to have a baby, in the discussion of moving so quickly wasn't she crying about "just moving to utah and it all being so soon?" Gag me.
So I was driving to get my kids from school when something Christine said popped into my head.
ReplyDeleteShe had always wanted to be the "Third wife."
Not first, not second, etc.
Now, she also had known Papa Joe for "Years and years" and the fabulous sisterwives blog discovered that was because they were first cousins (a group numbering in the hundreds.)
What are the odds she originally had the Darger family in mind when she dreamed of being the third wife? :) I hunted around for the Christine/Kody wedding date and couldn't find it so clearly, I could be way off the mark here.
What are the odds she originally had the Darger family in mind when she dreamed of being the third wife?
DeleteWell, Christine, unfortunately, has diarrhea of the mouth. While she says they have been friends with the Darger for years and years, one of the Darger wives said they have know the Browns for a couple of years. Being that the band that played at Kody's and Robyn's wedding reception belonged to a Darger son, I tend to believe the Darger wife (I think it was one of the twins).
The reason Christine has said she wanted to be the third wife was based on her experience growing up in polygamy: 1st wife is hard, 2nd wife is seen as the homebreaker of the 1st wife's marriage, 3rd wife comes in and bridges the gap between 1st and 2nd wife. In Christine's own words:
"When I decided that I was going to enter into a plural marriage, I knew that it would be only as a third wife. Even as a teenager, I was certain this was the path for me...The second wife has the hardest job and is put in the most uncomfortable position, because she’s the one who comes along and disrupts the marriage of the first wife and her husband...But the third wife— she’s the lucky one! She’s the one who comes along and makes peace between the first two wives. The third wife is in a blessed position. She doesn’t have to face marriage on her own without the help from sister wives or bear the burden of breaking up a previously monogamous couple."
Brown, Kody; Brown, Meri (2012-05-01). Becoming Sister Wives (p. 47- 48). Simon & Schuster, Inc.. Kindle Edition.
Hey Traci, Very interesting line of thought here.....maybe one of the others knows some of the dates.
DeleteALSO, it became clear that Christine wrongly ASS-U-MEd that third wife most likely meant "last and always most special/youngest/cutest wife" til death she did part. She was probably the only really happy wife of the 3 but then her mellow got harshed big time when Robyn came and messed the whole dynamic up for her. On top of that, she got robbed of her special "new baby" down time w/Kody after Truely because he was busy courtin', marryin', honeymoonin', boinki' Sobbin!
DeleteYeah...I thought it would be a sad, but kind of funny backstory. Wasn't sure how likely it was. I thought I remembered someone here realizing that Christine and Joe were cousins so that she might have known who he was and so felt she had "known him for years" without he or his wife having a clue who she and her krew were. :)
DeleteAre Christine and joe Dargar 1st cousins? I didn't know that. I thought maybe 2nd cousins, or some less close relationship? I don't think Christine or Joe Dargar would have married a 1st cousin.
DeleteI know, I know, the Dargar wives are related - but not that closely by blood to Joe!
i don't know if Christine and Joe are first cousins (doubtful as i'm sure Christine would definitely have mentioned that w/her "we've been good friends w/Dargers for a VERY VERY VERY long time" comment in the show) BUT fyi- in half the states it's completely legal to marry your FIRST cousin - w/no exceptions. A few more states - you can but w/some exceptions.
DeleteSo, given the small small gene world of plygs anyway - it wouldn't be out of line for them to marry a first cousin - even legal or not in their own state. I think they probably all stop at a brother/sister line and maybe daughters?? but nonetheless, there's plenty of incestuous sexual abuse going on regarding those members - especially in the various closed plyg communities. Hopefully, none going on in the Darger/Brown families tho. But in all fairness, there's also enough of that to go around in non-plyg families as well. :(
One of the first videos of Christine was at an AUB conference and one of the Darger gals was on the panel with her. I bet they met there.
Deletehttp://sisterwivesblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/aub-at-st-george-town-hall.html
""One of the Darger gals..""
Reminds me of the line...."Warby Gals" from "Oh Brother Where art Thou?" another cult classic at our house..We can go on FOREVER joking with those great lines...
Lines I heard FOREVER....
Not the livestock George!
You are a Dappper Dan Man!
You was hit by a train!
I'm the Pater-familia.
Damn! We're in a tight spot!
You two are just dumber than a bag of hammers!
And Stay out of the Woolworth!
Heck, I'm sure we all have fun families, group of friends that could make a more entertaining show! At least we laugh alot and have our own inside jokes.
Christine would never have hooked up with Joe. He's an "Independent," which means AUB members would think him unworthy of their daughters. You have to remember that all these polygamist groups believe they are the one true "group" and that no one but them have the "authority" to perform their "marriages" and ordinances. AUB used to get mad about the Independent guys turning up at their dances and trying to poach women. As a result all members need a signed recommend from their bishop to get in to any events now.
DeleteAnd "He is bona fide..."
DeleteGreetings from The Netherlands.
Holandesa
I thought that joe was originally AUB.
DeleteJoe originally was AUB. check out their early wedding photos where both the wives dressed more fundie. and fundie hair and no makeup.
DeleteAnony 2:35 p - Joe's daughter just married into the fundie Centennial Park plyg group. there's such a small plyg pool to pick from they intermarry into the sects. I also don't believe for one minute that Kody/wives haven't gone independent themselves now. They made a conscientious choice to move away from their AUB church community to Vegas where there wasn't one.
He might have been AUB, but not certain about that. There were Dargers in AUB at one time, and not well thought of.
DeleteAccording to their book, Papa Joe's family were Independents. He was baptised in a pool in his father's backyard. Wife Val did join the AUB when she was in the 11th grade and her 1st husband was AUB.
Deletethere are Darger relatives in all the plyg arenas. same with jessops and allreds. These people get mad or tired or kicked out and hop around from sect to sect or create their own new one.
Deletei'm curious what all would come out w/this family once it got high public exposure like the Browns. They can say what they want in their own book but it would be interesting once an investigative reporter went digging.
DeleteIf my memory serves correctly, when Troy showed up at a book signing and asked them a simple question, they shut him down and wouldn't really address his question. Also they majorly glossed over the scandal Val's first husband was involved in. Something about stealing money I think. If they did that to a journalist, it would raise all kinds of red flags and there would be blood in the water attracting all the sharks. I liked them after reading their book. But then again, I had just read the Brown's book and the Darger's looked amazingly functional in comparison. In my evil little heart I hide the wish that someone would go rogue and write the "real" and "unauthorized" bio of the Dargers. I'm -well I can't sugarcoat it- I'm kinda mean like that.
DeleteAm I the only one who has been reading about the Stanley Sisters?
ReplyDeleteLottie Mae was on Mellie's wedding episode, but they sure didn't get into her background. Yeah they mentioned jail, but not the whole drama of her life of crime!
And I sure was curious about Nettie's husbad...never see him on the show, but the story of his recent jail time is juicy too!!!
So much more drama in that family vs the Browns....
That show is sooooo fake and scripted.
DeleteLottie Mae (0http://enquirer.com/editions/2003/02/07/loc_lottiemae07.html) was/is a big time scammer, it surprised me they let her out of jail so soon.
The thing with them is, any comment or critique they will immediately call racism or discrimination, while at the same time, they all have been to jail (often more than once). They even have this thing that if a woman touches a guy with a broom, that is a bad omen that the muskers [police] will come after him. What is to fear of the police if you don't do shady stuff? While of course there are also a lot of good gypsies - it seems that everything is ok for them to make a quick buck.
I watched the UK show when it came out (you can watch it on youtube), and let me tell you: they are very, very different. The girls really have to be virgins before marriage, they do not go out alone, they have to be chaperoned for real (on the US show that was just for the camera, will come to that in a second) and they do have strict family values.
However, the American gypsies portrayed on this show are different. They PRETEND to have these rules too, but obviously they don't. Mellie going out chaperoned with that Gorja guy had me laugh out loud.... They just try to make it seem they have these rules and morals too, but they obviously don't.
Nettie's current husband is like what, her forth, and her kids are from like 4 different guys (imposible with the uk gypsies, 1 in a million gets divorced and even less than that ever gets remarried)......... Mellie has been married before (there are rumors going around she's even been married twice). Her most recent marriage to Robby ended within a week, and she has had a whole string of boyfriends ever since...
Sorry for my ramble, but had to pitch in my 0.02
The UK show is mostly about Irish Travelers. This group has totally different origins from the Roma/Romnichel that the Stanleys claim. The Roma trace their origins to India, and have colorful and unique traditions, rituals and taboos.
DeleteI've never been to a "Palm Reader" or "Spiritualist" but that is a major business for Roma women, even today. Some of the scams assoicated with this line of work are almost heartbreaking.
That said, the Stanleys don't hold many of the Roma traditions, though they are a very lively group compared to the Browns!
OK I was in Maricopa County Jail for about 5 months. Got in to some trouble in my younger days. Anyways when you have court, the night before court you are taken between 10pm and midnight and transported to the 4th Ave jail holding rooms. Its the old jail that is only used for holding cells now. The actual women's jail is maybe 10miles away? (Guessing). When you are in jail your meals consist of a sack lunch with 2 sandwiches which you receive at 9am and slop a mixture of whatever served like soup at 6 pm. Now when you go to court you are given your sack lunch that night. So they don't have to worry about feeding you during court. I was transported a few times with a woman who was going through a trial and she went through this every night. I'm sure that Jodi Arias is not receiving special treatment and also is being put through this. I believe she is crazy and killed Travis, but that's just my opinion. Going through this every night has got to be extremely trying and exhausting. Especially when you are testifying. The 4th ave jail is old and disgusting. You are put in the old cells with nothing. And forced to spent the night. Sometimes they put so many girls in there it was standing room only. Imagine doing that all night long before a huge trial. I'm not saying we deserved the Ritz but it boreded on inhumane.
ReplyDeleteNot being insensitive to *your* experience....but..
DeleteWhat Jodi Arias did to Travis Alexander is the epitome of "inhumane" !!!
And Travis Alexander was shot, stabbed, folded up, and stuffed in a shower to rot for days.....must have felt extremely trying, exhausting, disgusting....and inhumane. Just sayin'
DeleteI agree Amused. And I'm not looking for sympathy so please to worry about being insensitive to my situation. My ass deserved to be there. I'm just shedding some light on how the court process works in Maricopa County from an inside prospective. I don't follow the trial on TV. But from what I've heard she is crazy and she killed him because he was using, exploiting her for sex. My opionion anyways. He never had any intention of marrying her. But if you act like a whore then you will be treated like one.
DeleteOk I admit I haven't read all the posts here because I am skimming (and it's late) so maybe this has been discussed....but has anyone noticed that Meri seems....shall we say "enhanced and more uplifted"?? Anyone think she had a breast enlargement?
ReplyDeleteShe definately had a nose job.... she may be wearing a push up bra, she also may have had her girls done..... Though I think she'd be better off doing a lipo and tummy tuck instead.. just sayin'
DeleteWell we know she had bigguns when she was on vacation in Mexico. I just think when you gain weight, they get bigger too. She probably has on a good bra and some Spanx. Also, she probably asked her new friend what to wear because their dresses look alike. She seems like she genuinely tried to fit in with the outfit while keeping to what they deem as modest.
DeleteI noticed that too.
DeleteNO. i saw those puppies (doggies?) in her swim suit debut being lowered down into the cave water. she's just gained even more weight since then, too. Besides, different bras can give very different looks. That's why wearing the right one is important!
Deletealong w/my vote for "no boob job", I also don't see a "nose job" benefit/difference on her either.
DeleteI can't see any of them wearing their jewelry. In any pictures. Is that just me?
ReplyDeleteWell, they make it to sell it to suckers. They don't actually LIKE the stuff!
DeleteWell, now Kodester was wearing that iconic,superfly, & funkadelic paw print charm on a leather thong not too long ago. If he had been wearing that with the Hugh Heffner coat he would have been pimpin', yall. Sexxxay!*I just gagged a little*
DeleteFor the Arias trial watchers....
ReplyDeleteDefendant’s Motion for Protective Order – DENIED.
Looks like the taxpayers of Maricopa County will have access to see how their money has been spent by the defense team.
Its not just you. I've noticed that too. I try to look for it anytime they post a new picture. Unless I'm just looking too hard and can't see something right in front of me haha! It never looks like they wear it. You would think they'd wear their product. You never know when you could make a sale. Especially on their night out on the town with their new friend so people could see it up close other than at their expos. Perhaps there is still someone out there who've never heard of them, stop them on the street and inquire about their jewelry and make a sale? But again, we never see them wear it.
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I hope none of the Brown girls follow the "What Would Meri Do?" school of thought into their adult lives, because the results will be miserable for them. I just think it's interesting that Meri paints the town in a super-tight dress that I'm sure she would not allow her own daughter to wear. I guess in Meri's world, modesty has its time and place. What a crock.
ReplyDeleteI am going to have to disagree with some of you and say that I think Meri doesn't look that horrible in her dress except she should not be wearing tights/leggings with it. It's amazing how much thinner a person can look with the right styles and fit of clothing. They can go to some stores and the sales associates will act like personal shoppers and pick out clothing that will look nice on them at no extra expense. If her dress was one size larger, she didn't wear the tights/leggings, and wore just a cute pair of heeled sandals with it and cute jewelry she would have looked nice.
ReplyDeleteI know we're all sick of hearing about Meri's dress but I just can't seem to get it off my mind! I did a little research and looky looky what I found: http://www.dillards.com/product/Calvin-Klein-Sleeveless-BandageSeam-Dress_301_-1_301_503613448?cm_mmc=GooglePLAs-_-Calvin-Klein-_-Dresses-_-Calvin-Klein-Sleeveless-BandageSeam-Dress
ReplyDeleteI am fairly certain this is her dress.
It sure looks the same, Anonymous at 4:10 PM. I'm not a big fan of the look (on anyone, that is)---but I don't like to much ruching on bridal dresses, either. I like the color of blue, it is a good color on Meri. I have to agree with TryinToHelp's suggestion at 2:04 PM as to fit and accessories. Not that I'm any fashionista, but looking at Meri's body type I think she'd look good in something like a slightly A-line skirt (or lightweight slacks with that don't hug the legs), a fun tank top, then a not-too-small 3/4 sleeve cardigan (left open), or a lightweight jacket (unbuttoned) along the lines of what Robyn wears. I think that would give good definition.
DeleteI think you're right, Anony 4:10! and I'm fairly certain that the model is correctly showing how the dress should be worn and on what body type and Meri came along and tweaked it all to a horrible degree - in more ways than one! :P
DeleteWhoa! 118.00? How can she afford this, with a family of 21? This family is got to be so deep in debt. If I were them I would be scared shitless, and be doing anything and everything I could to generate interest in the TLC gravy train. They are going to lose everything, if they don’t start kissing some serious ass. They think there fans don’t matter, BIG MISTAKE!
DeleteSo this is off topic, but that's the theme right? I have to make a documentary for one of my classes, and my subject is polygamy in Bountiful, BC. I need to find some music to play in the background, any suggestions for songs that would go along with a documentary about the evils of polygamy??
ReplyDeleteHope this helps. The Polygamy Song by Sarmo on Youtube. It's on point and has been used in presentations at colleges in the past. It helps that it is humorous too.
DeleteIt might be too cliche, but I liked the theme song on the first three seasons of Big Love: God Only Knows, by the Beach Boys.
Deletethose are awesome, thanks! i also have spirit in the sky by norman greenbaum, son of a preacher man and "he's got the whole world in his hands"
DeleteThen, there is always...'I used to love her, but I had to kill her' by Guns-n-roses!
Delete"Five to One" by The Doors
Delete"Three Times a Lady" by The Commodores
"99 Problems" by Jay-Z
LOL, TSW, you are a twisted puppy.
DeleteYep, pretty sure that is the dress.
ReplyDeleteWhatever the cost...$118 or $68...bottom line is Meri was clueless about how to wear it.
But it *is* a nice color on its own.
However, if Meri is getting a bit middle-age thick in the mid-section and fuller in the boobs (and hey, it happens to many women in that life cycle), that was definitely NOT the dress to wear.
If she was going to buy and wear that dress to compete with her new stripper galpal, the too tight bolero and absurd black leggings made it look ridiculous. It is likely that she put the bolero on to hide her upper arms as much as honoring their plyg dress code.
What is sad is that all four of the Brown wives *say* they subscribe to their version of plyg codes of conduct and apparel as they preach to their fans about who they are and why they went public.
Yet this move to LV and their crazy world of McMansions and public appearances (now apparently including Vegas club dates) and being stars on the show seems to be too much for them to handle.
They are like teenagers desperately trying to fit in with the "in group."
It's sad...and it surely brings their credibility into question on all levels.
My question still is.....who are they...really??!!
Do they even know???
The Darger Family since two of the women are sisters that makes the kids cousins/siblings isn't that a lil confusing um kinda weird
ReplyDeleteI apologize, I know this has been addressed, but where is the FB page fans here are going to that "closed" just for us?
ReplyDeleteIf it is FB, is it a requirement for anyone in this closed group to keep and respect others privacy?
Personally, I think if you LIKED your sister or cousin, it would be much better than sharing your man with a stranger. At least you'd LOVE your sister wives, and then children even more in my book.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 10:32
ReplyDeleteThere is a FB page, and the mods here have agreed to post an e-mail address shortly that will help you to contact the admin of that board. I can assure you that it is a private page, and there is no visibility of it outside the participants. None of us want anyone invading our privacy, so please feel free to check it out when the e-mail address is posted. In keeping with the rules of THIS board, only the mods here can post an e-mail address. They have been very helpful in getting a system set-up for the safety of all participants.
I'd love to be part of it :)
DeleteThis is sort of off topic, but some bloggers live in Las Vegas and I was curious about what it is like to live there. Thinking of moving and thought it might be a pretty as well as fun place to live. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
ReplyDeleteTryinToHelp:
DeleteI live in Phoenix, but the climate is the same. Here's how to determine whether you'll like living in Las Vegas.
Pretend you are chocolate chip cookie dough. Roll yourself into a ball and pretend you're putting yourself in the oven. Turn it up high!!! Now, you think you're done baking, but you can't get out of the oven. Oh No! Someone turned the temperature even higher. You're past "done" . . . you're burned to a crisp. Ouch! Now, monsoon season is upon us, so pretend someone just dumped a gallon of water onto your burned carcass. Oh, and there will be a sand storm following the rain, so throw some sand on top of your soggy self. Now turn the oven even higher and stay there until you're screaming for mercy.
That's life in Phoenix.
If you're going to Vegas, add in millions of tourists who have no idea where they're going, whether driving or walking. And lots of people out on the sidewalks trying to sell you tours and tickets to shows.
Does that give you an objective view of life in the desert? LOL.
Thanks AZ, you make it seem so appealing, lol!
DeleteThis is a cute post! I so enjoy this blog and all the blogettes that comment. Thanks for an entertaining area that is also educational!
ReplyDeleteAnother fun post from the past of the Browns attire:
ReplyDeletehttp://sisterwivesblog.blogspot.com/2012/04/oh-my-gosh-what-were-they-thinking.html
Thanks for the link, another fashion flop from the Browns.
DeleteAZ,
ReplyDeleteLoved your analogy !!
Another great post! New here, but enjoying my time! you gals are quick and whimsical. thanks for a great place to read.
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