Mister Sister,
I posted this a week ago with no answer. I believe that it is a question that people would like answered. Can you please repost this?
No one want to talk about it but I think it is a real issue. Maybe Pretty In Pink could help? I know what Flora Jessop mentioned about the "baby cemeteries".
I appreciate anything you can find out.
Thanks much,
Dear Writer, fill us in a tad more about what your interested in, and we will help!!
I posted this a week ago with no answer. I believe that it is a question that people would like answered. Can you please repost this?
No one want to talk about it but I think it is a real issue. Maybe Pretty In Pink could help? I know what Flora Jessop mentioned about the "baby cemeteries".
I appreciate anything you can find out.
Thanks much,
Dear Writer, fill us in a tad more about what your interested in, and we will help!!
Honey, I don't want to put your name, but you didn't send me your 1st post, please put it here, and we will help!
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ReplyDeleteThe Baby Cemetery
ReplyDeleteHere's Flora's letter to the FBI requesting an investigation of the baby cemetery at the AZ/UT location.
http://childpro.org/2005/fbi_letter.html
There is more at the link:
We also know that people are burying their children in the canyons and in home burial plots. Evidently there are no laws against this in Utah but I have not checked the laws in Arizona. These polygamous white supremacy compounds straddle the borders of both states and so this is the FBI's venue. Despite many apparent oversights in the law, there are no circumstances under which people can bury children with no notice whatsoever to any officials. Death certificates are required. Yet, this is what they have done and in large numbers.
Simply adding up the numbers and ages of the people we know are buried in the baby graveyard and the Isaac V. Carling cemetery gives us this profile:
425 graves
56 entirely unmarked child graves
227 child graves all together for a total of 53% children under 10
The children for whom we have been able to determine a cause of death, many of them died at the hands of their parents through what can only be called negligence by a civilized society.
This does not include children from the Isaac V. Carling graveyard. We asked them to give us statistics for many more years than this but again officials seem to take their jobs rather lightly as I know it is easy to pull these stats.
I'm sure the 460+ kids would be killed by them too. They only want the girls! What a horrible thing to have happen.........
The AUB has a baby cemetery as well.
ReplyDeleteMost interesting to me, while I was in Mohave County was the incredible number of toddlers listed as having been "accidentally run over by cars."
ReplyDeleteFocusing on this issue is exactly what got me fired from my job, thanks to the corrupt relationship between MC law enforcement and media in the area.
I have some interesting statistics compiled if anyone would like to see them.
Yes, we would, and if you think we should put it a post for easier viewing, please email it to me, THANKS!
ReplyDeleteMost people in AUB Utah use public cemeteries, or the cemetery at Rocky Ridge. As far as I know no funny business there. The Pinesdale, Montana group of AUB may be a different matter. There were rumors of undocumented child deaths there. Think the FBI got involved on one occasion but don't think anything came of it. Maybe someone from Montana can remember the details?
ReplyDeleteFriday, March 05, 2004
ReplyDeleteTo: FBI Phoenix Arizona
From: Child Protection Project, Flora Jessop and Linda Walker
Re: 56 unmarked child graves in Colorado City, Arizona
We request that you open a formal investigation into the dramatic situation that exists for children in Colorado City. We want the graveyard known as the "Baby Graveyard" in Colorado City to be designated a crime scene and the bodies exhumed to find out who is buried in them and why so many children are dead. It is located in the Colorado City compound close to the Isaac V. Carling cemetery. I, Linda Walker, documented with a video cam 46 unmarked graves in the baby graveyard and another 10 + in the Isaac V. Carling cemetery for over 56 unmarked baby graves. I also documented all the graves with markers for a total of 425 graves, 227 are children and the rest adults.
Anyone can tell these are children's graves because they do not bother to remove the extra dirt and so there is a mound left that is about the size of a small child or casket.
We also know that people are burying their children in the canyons and in home burial plots. Evidently there are no laws against this in Utah but I have not checked the laws in Arizona. These polygamous white supremacy compounds straddle the borders of both states and so this is the FBI's venue. Despite many apparent oversights in the law, there are no circumstances under which people can bury children with no notice whatsoever to any officials. Death certificates are required. Yet, this is what they have done and in large numbers.
Simply adding up the numbers and ages of the people we know are buried in the baby graveyard and the Isaac V. Carling cemetery gives us this profile:
425 graves
56 entirely unmarked child graves
227 child graves all together for a total of 53% children under 10
The children for whom we have been able to determine a cause of death, many of them died at the hands of their parents through what can only be called negligence by a civilized society.
Examples:
Mike Copeland was mauled to death by dogs at age 2 and 1/2 and he is number 104 on the sheets I am faxing. We do not think there is any death certificate record for him but since these records are now private instead of public information, we cannot be sure but certainly the FBI can find out if his birth or death was ever recorded anywhere. Two children apparently drank poison. Knowing how difficult it is to get children to taste new foods, it is amazing they would willingly down hydrogen peroxide. One five year old died from burning. Two two year olds were run over and so was a 6 year old. One 10 year old fell of the mountain.Too many children are being run over and we are wondering if they are beaten nearly to death first. The local coroner said he has never had a child run over in St George in fifteen years, yet in Colorado City, a much smaller community, several have been run over in that time.
Also a cursory look at the vital records death statistics for Colorado City do not match at all with the deaths recorded in the cemetery and this does not of course count the unbelievable number of 56 more child deaths. The child cemetery has not been in use very long either. Not counting the unmarked graves, the state has lost track of 20 children between the ages of 1 and 9 that died from 1997 - 2002. This does not include children from the Isaac V. Carling graveyard. We asked them to give us statistics for many more years than this but again officials seem to take their jobs rather lightly as I know it is easy to pull these stats.
Activists think that young boys (11-20 yr olds) are being killed. The death rate for them is very high and the reasons for death that we do have listed as accidents could easily be evaluated as homicides. Unfortunately, lapse law enforcement (law enforcement we have endeavored to get decertified because they are committing felonies) never seems to think so. I understand accidents are common with children but this is far from the norm.
PART A
We know that disobedience is severely punished and think that boys who are not obedient or brutal enough for the society are killed and used as examples so others will not consider disobeying the leaders. As an example they would say something like, "Remember what happened to Mike, that can happen to you." We also know that families are punished if they do not control their children adequately. And that it is preached that you can stop a child from crying by 6 months if you slap them hard enough, or hold their head under water.
ReplyDeleteWe further think that the reason why there are so few death records and why there may be more birth records is because they are collecting welfare on dead children.
I am asking as a concerned citizen who is also an expert on the Mormon Church that at least some agents that are put on this case., NOT be Mormons. For years activists have been turning in crimes committed in this community and getting largely stonewalled by what we think are many government agents devoted to a religion where they have taken a vow to do nothing to publicly embarrass or harm the reputation of their church. This problem belongs at the doorstep of the Mormon Church despite their vain denials they have nothing to do with polygamy. They started this and they failed to stop it, and now we are seeing the results of this failed human experimentation. Once again the Mormons expect the public to pick up the tab for their folly.
I remain ready to give you more information as it becomes available and only ask that you place some of your resources towards solving this problem instead of continuing to try and sweep it under the carpet. The concerned public is not going to go away.
Enclosures:
Number of deaths among the residents of zip code 86021 by age group showing the oversight in the state record.
List of the people buried in Colorado City with the cause of death when known.
PART B of FLORA's LETTER
I will have tons of info for your tomorrow - someone just sent me a bunch! hang on!
ReplyDeleteYes, Boots, I'd love to see them!!
ReplyDeleteMister Sister....I am the one who you refer to in your post at the top of this post as needing an answer. I am not sorry that I was not more specific. Here is a copy of my first post...........I have a question and am not sure where to post it but here goes....
ReplyDeleteWith all the children born into FLDS there must be a few born with disabilities, deformities, congenital and chromosonal issues. Especially since cousins marry cousins, brothers marry sisters, etc. What happens to these children?
August 14, 2011 10:51 AM
I am just curious as to what happens to these children. Are they part of the high death rate among FLDS children?
Thank you for any comments you may have.
Sissey
Mister Sister......Please disregard the typo in my above post. What I meant to say was that I am sorry that I was not more specific. Long Day.
ReplyDeleteThanks again,
Sissey
I have got the BEST coming for you with some answers, it will be prob. Thurs!!!!!
ReplyDeleteSissey, They seem to "die" of mysterious things. Can't wait till we get it all put together!!
ReplyDeleteFumarase deficiency has been described in the FLDS, and it is associated with early death of infants :
ReplyDeletehttp://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2005-12-29/news/forbidden-fruit/
Sissey, the above link is a very good one!
ReplyDeleteWow, Mister Sister, you are right. This was an excellent article. Makes you wonder what happens to these children when/if they reach adulthood? Also, I wonder if they are ever institutionalized at the government's expense? Do they do genetic counseling....probably not because it would be useless for the FLDS.
ReplyDeleteCurious if there is any chance Robyns' son (who she says is autistic) suffers from a less severe form of this since he is a Jessop.
Thank you so much for for the link. Can't wait to see what you have lined up for Thursday.
I've got more, honey, much more, my husband is moving for a new job, and i am just behind! SOON!!!
ReplyDeleteWhen I was doing genealogy, i found my husbands family had a lot of dead babies in the early 1900's. I think they were smothering them if they were afflicted.
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