In 2011, the Sister Wives Blog started out as a place to talk about the TLC reality show "Sister Wives", Kody Brown and his wives Christine, Robyn, Meri and Janelle. Today we not only discuss the show, we discuss Polygamy in our society, and the public perceptions of the Mormon Religion. We discuss "Polygamy USA" and will be covering "My 5 Wives."
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Wednesday, August 3, 2011
DR. DREW - Are Women in FLDS Responsible for Abuse?
We Sincerely want to hear from former or FLDS women. Use Anonymous to feel comfortable if you wish. Comments? Thoughts? What are we learning?
I just learned that we blame the victims, because the mothers are also victims, indoctrinated, often nowhere-else-to-go, know-no-other-options, under-educated victims.
How absolutely typical of the media vultures, picking over the carcasses for ratings. I had higher expectations of Flora Jessop. Dr. Drew, not so much.
It surprised me too, yet, I remember when I was in a abusive relationship thinking, well, he loves the kids to death, but they are next! And I fought tooth and nail to leave. I don't know when your in a sect and that's all you know, what you could do. Terrasola, you really need to become a writer for us, some of your comments are better than the post!
Flora "fuzzy Care Bear Prairie Dresses" HAHAHAHAH Loved that line. I do think the moms have to have some sort of culpability. IF they don't it will continue. I've told the story of my foster child, how she begged CPS not to go back, and was back with me in a few short weeks black and blue, only to be returned in 90 days to the mom. that's the big deal- 90 days. It's not just the FLDS, it's the CPS that needs to change. Not the workers, the LAWS. They need some folks that have been in the FLDS to helpt hem deal with these women and get them to break, so to say, to WANT to protect their children. They are just as much a victim. And as Flora said, the Domestic violence is with the women, too. The MEN teach the women to keep each other in line to get favor. IT IS a willful ignorance of Law Enforcement, CPS, and the Media that plays into this. What would these women do when their Law is FLDS? I thought these were great.
There are plenty of places for these women to get help, and they now know it. I know that probably at least half of us here would take a woman and her children into our homes. The CPS then would fuck it up. You have to have a bdrm for each child, no doubling up. It's ridiculous. Each state is different. But, they need someone like Flora to head up a special CPS committee that could get through to these women, and fight for what they need.
"Lord Jesus, I believe you are the Son of God. Thank you for dying on the cross for my sins. Please forgive my sins and give me the gift of eternal life. I ask you in to my life and heart to be my Lord and Savior. I want to serve you always."
Get OUT ladies, come on here, someone will know how to get you help. Don't be afraid. GOD will get your to heave, not a man. Save your children!
He also has his own show on HLN- a sidekick on CNN One of the most listened to doctors in America, Dr. Drew is the host of the nationally syndicated radio show LOVELINE where he has been taking calls from listeners since 1984. Many people do not know that Dr. Drew is a practicing physician who is board certified in internal and addiction medicine, sill runs a private practice, is on staff at Huntington Memorial Hospital and is Assistant Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the Keck USC School of Medicine.
Called “the face of addiction and the surgeon general of youth culture” by the NY Times Magazine, Dr. Drew and Vh1 teamed up for the first reality TV series to depict the process of overcoming addiction. Now in its fourth season, CELEBRITY REHAB with DR. DREW was critically acclaimed by the addiction community for pulling back the veil of secrecy about what goes on in rehabilitation programs. SOBER HOUSE chronicles the sober living process and SEX REHAB with DR. DREW looked at the struggles and treatment of those dealing with serious sex addictions.
Using the media to deliver information, Dr. Drew often appearance on national and international television and radio to talk about sex, relationships, and addiction. He frequently guest hosts for CNN’s Larry King Live and is a regular contributor on the Today Show. Dr. Drew has stopped in to visit Oprah, Ellen, Jimmy Kimmel, Craig Ferguson, Conan O’Brien, and Chelsea Lately to name a few. He has been profiled in Rolling Stone, Playboy, and Muscle & Fitness and was named one of the top 10 Real Sexiest Men by O Magazine, and one of the top 10 Silver Foxes by OK Magazine.
Dr. Drew is the author of the New York Times bestseller The Mirror Effect: How Celebrity Narcissism is Seducing America (Harper-Collins) and Cracked: Putting Broken Lives Together Again (Harper-Collins). Dr. Drew co-authored the first academic study on celebrities and narcissism. The study was published in the Journal of Research in Personality (Elsevier) and received worldwide press coverage.
After receiving his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine, Dr. Drew continued with USC for his residency. He then became chief resident at Huntington Hospital in Pasadena. Dr. Drew’s professional activities in the medical field are numerous. His membership and activities in professional societies include the American College of Physicians, the American Medical Association, the American Society of Addiction Medicine, the California Medical Association and the American Society of Internal Medicine.
I was initially surprised at Flora's attitude; however, reading her book, I realize she is one strong, fearless, and also somewhat (and rightfully) bitter, woman. I've read several books recently, Escape, Triumph, Under the Banner of Heaven, Shattered Innocence; Flora's is the first one I can't read more than 5-10 pages at a time! She is raw, gritty, brave, and life has been very hard for her.
She's probably one of the strongest women I've ever heard of, and I'm not really surprised she demands strength from others. I don't agree with her on wanting to prosecute (most of) the mothers, because they were raised and brainwashed in the FLDS, But I think she would answer, "so was I; and I got out. I knew it was wrong most of my life".
I think she just doesn't understand how truly brave and special she is, and that others cannot be held to the same expectations she has for herself...
I am concerned about the tone of this discussion. When we mention people's dress, separation from the "world", etc. I feel we are on a very dangerous path. Who is next? Will we "target" the Amish, Brethren, Mennonites, etc..? Mention what this PERSON did, I would challenge Drew to put this message on his show, it does not "play" with the way this story is being driven. Dressing modestly, non cutting of women's hair, etc. is all based firmly in bible teaching. This does not go with the world, but NOT having internet, tv, etc is helpful to every member of the family, and certainly to children who can be impressionable.
While I agree that Anonymous above has a point when she suggests we focus on individual behavior, I do not agree with her that the general habits of a group are beyond discussion or reproach simply because (a) they are Bible-based according to someone's interpretation of the Bible, and/or (b)supposedly helpful to or "good for" people according to someone's interpretation of what is in the best interests of themselves and others.
My Mum always said "the knife cuts both ways", meaning that things that are good in certain circumstances may be not-so-good in others. For example, dressing modestly can result in heat stroke during extreme heat waves. Dressing modestly is also subject to interpretation; there is no single objective standard to determine what this phrase means. Another example, not cutting women's hair can cause poor hair condition, migraines in some people due to the weight of the hair, etc. And please don't tell me that God loves me less because I have short hair or because my husband does / does not have a beard (which could bother a skin condition).
I will also point out that money, internet and TV can be extremely useful tools used to improve lives and achieve one's potential, or horrible masters that cause pain and suffering. It depends upon how individuals use them - not upon the intrinsic properties of these things themselves.
But MOST importantly, I will point out that when a group of people separate themselves from the world they allow for the POSSIBILITY that what they consider to be acceptable behaviour and values will deviate from society's norms over time. That could be good (think sexualized tweens or "Jersey Shore") or it could be very, very bad (think child marriage, corporal punishment, and incest).
I also feel it is necessary for folks to understand that not everyone feels that a Bible-based framework for living is what they want, or even advisable. There are many different viewpoints on this, even within the Christian community at large.
Once again, great comment! One reason our children are so far advanced in education compared to our days is contributed to the internet. The great information highway!
Even shows like "Jersey Shore" that are tacky can be used to teach your child. I remember my son wanted to watch it once, he'd heard how "cool" it was. Afterwards, he said "Do college kids or 20 ish kids really act like that?", which was a great way to evolve it into a discussion about what he might see in the future, how to handle it, etc. Luckily, he thought is was all moronic.
The hair, well the bible never did reverse that, we all just did ourselves. But, I don't think that might be the worse of my sins, I hope it would be!
Also, Polygamy is NOT taught in the new testament. Amish do nothing that is offensive or abusive to their children, and they certainly to not abuse the government, or break the laws. These folks are breaking the laws in MANY ways, they are lucky to get off so easy.
I just learned that we blame the victims, because the mothers are also victims, indoctrinated, often nowhere-else-to-go, know-no-other-options, under-educated victims.
ReplyDeleteHow absolutely typical of the media vultures, picking over the carcasses for ratings. I had higher expectations of Flora Jessop. Dr. Drew, not so much.
It surprised me too, yet, I remember when I was in a abusive relationship thinking, well, he loves the kids to death, but they are next! And I fought tooth and nail to leave. I don't know when your in a sect and that's all you know, what you could do.
ReplyDeleteTerrasola, you really need to become a writer for us, some of your comments are better than the post!
Flora "fuzzy Care Bear Prairie Dresses" HAHAHAHAH Loved that line.
ReplyDeleteI do think the moms have to have some sort of culpability. IF they don't it will continue. I've told the story of my foster child, how she begged CPS not to go back, and was back with me in a few short weeks black and blue, only to be returned in 90 days to the mom. that's the big deal- 90 days.
It's not just the FLDS, it's the CPS that needs to change. Not the workers, the LAWS.
They need some folks that have been in the FLDS to helpt hem deal with these women and get them to break, so to say, to WANT to protect their children. They are just as much a victim.
And as Flora said, the Domestic violence is with the women, too. The MEN teach the women to keep each other in line to get favor.
IT IS a willful ignorance of Law Enforcement, CPS, and the Media that plays into this. What would these women do when their Law is FLDS?
I thought these were great.
There are plenty of places for these women to get help, and they now know it. I know that probably at least half of us here would take a woman and her children into our homes. The CPS then would fuck it up. You have to have a bdrm for each child, no doubling up. It's ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteEach state is different. But, they need someone like Flora to head up a special CPS committee that could get through to these women, and fight for what they need.
"Lord Jesus, I believe you are the Son of God. Thank you for dying on the cross for my sins. Please forgive my sins and give me the gift of eternal life. I ask you in to my life and heart to be my Lord and Savior. I want to serve you always."
ReplyDeleteGet OUT ladies, come on here, someone will know how to get you help. Don't be afraid. GOD will get your to heave, not a man. Save your children!
Who is this Dr. Drew? He don't know us. We are happy and fine.
ReplyDeleteHe also has his own show on HLN- a sidekick on CNN
ReplyDeleteOne of the most listened to doctors in America, Dr. Drew is the host of the nationally syndicated radio show LOVELINE where he has been taking calls from listeners since 1984. Many people do not know that Dr. Drew is a practicing physician who is board certified in internal and addiction medicine, sill runs a private practice, is on staff at Huntington Memorial Hospital and is Assistant Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the Keck USC School of Medicine.
Called “the face of addiction and the surgeon general of youth culture” by the NY Times Magazine, Dr. Drew and Vh1 teamed up for the first reality TV series to depict the process of overcoming addiction. Now in its fourth season, CELEBRITY REHAB with DR. DREW was critically acclaimed by the addiction community for pulling back the veil of secrecy about what goes on in rehabilitation programs. SOBER HOUSE chronicles the sober living process and SEX REHAB with DR. DREW looked at the struggles and treatment of those dealing with serious sex addictions.
Using the media to deliver information, Dr. Drew often appearance on national and international television and radio to talk about sex, relationships, and addiction. He frequently guest hosts for CNN’s Larry King Live and is a regular contributor on the Today Show. Dr. Drew has stopped in to visit Oprah, Ellen, Jimmy Kimmel, Craig Ferguson, Conan O’Brien, and Chelsea Lately to name a few. He has been profiled in Rolling Stone, Playboy, and Muscle & Fitness and was named one of the top 10 Real Sexiest Men by O Magazine, and one of the top 10 Silver Foxes by OK Magazine.
Dr. Drew is the author of the New York Times bestseller The Mirror Effect: How Celebrity Narcissism is Seducing America (Harper-Collins) and Cracked: Putting Broken Lives Together Again (Harper-Collins). Dr. Drew co-authored the first academic study on celebrities and narcissism. The study was published in the Journal of Research in Personality (Elsevier) and received worldwide press coverage.
After receiving his undergraduate degree from Amherst College and his M.D. from the University of Southern California, School of Medicine, Dr. Drew continued with USC for his residency. He then became chief resident at Huntington Hospital in Pasadena. Dr. Drew’s professional activities in the medical field are numerous. His membership and activities in professional societies include the American College of Physicians, the American Medical Association, the American Society of Addiction Medicine, the California Medical Association and the American Society of Internal Medicine.
I was initially surprised at Flora's attitude; however, reading her book, I realize she is one strong, fearless, and also somewhat (and rightfully) bitter, woman. I've read several books recently, Escape, Triumph, Under the Banner of Heaven, Shattered Innocence; Flora's is the first one I can't read more than 5-10 pages at a time! She is raw, gritty, brave, and life has been very hard for her.
DeleteShe's probably one of the strongest women I've ever heard of, and I'm not really surprised she demands strength from others. I don't agree with her on wanting to prosecute (most of) the mothers, because they were raised and brainwashed in the FLDS, But I think she would answer, "so was I; and I got out. I knew it was wrong most of my life".
I think she just doesn't understand how truly brave and special she is, and that others cannot be held to the same expectations she has for herself...
I am concerned about the tone of this discussion. When we mention people's dress, separation from the "world", etc. I feel we are on a very dangerous path. Who is next? Will we "target" the Amish, Brethren, Mennonites, etc..? Mention what this PERSON did, I would challenge Drew to put this message on his show, it does not "play" with the way this story is being driven. Dressing modestly, non cutting of women's hair, etc. is all based firmly in bible teaching. This does not go with the world, but NOT having internet, tv, etc is helpful to every member of the family, and certainly to children who can be impressionable.
ReplyDeleteWhile I agree that Anonymous above has a point when she suggests we focus on individual behavior, I do not agree with her that the general habits of a group are beyond discussion or reproach simply because (a) they are Bible-based according to someone's interpretation of the Bible, and/or (b)supposedly helpful to or "good for" people according to someone's interpretation of what is in the best interests of themselves and others.
ReplyDeleteMy Mum always said "the knife cuts both ways", meaning that things that are good in certain circumstances may be not-so-good in others. For example, dressing modestly can result in heat stroke during extreme heat waves. Dressing modestly is also subject to interpretation; there is no single objective standard to determine what this phrase means. Another example, not cutting women's hair can cause poor hair condition, migraines in some people due to the weight of the hair, etc. And please don't tell me that God loves me less because I have short hair or because my husband does / does not have a beard (which could bother a skin condition).
I will also point out that money, internet and TV can be extremely useful tools used to improve lives and achieve one's potential, or horrible masters that cause pain and suffering. It depends upon how individuals use them - not upon the intrinsic properties of these things themselves.
But MOST importantly, I will point out that when a group of people separate themselves from the world they allow for the POSSIBILITY that what they consider to be acceptable behaviour and values will deviate from society's norms over time. That could be good (think sexualized tweens or "Jersey Shore") or it could be very, very bad (think child marriage, corporal punishment, and incest).
I also feel it is necessary for folks to understand that not everyone feels that a Bible-based framework for living is what they want, or even advisable. There are many different viewpoints on this, even within the Christian community at large.
Once again, great comment!
ReplyDeleteOne reason our children are so far advanced in education compared to our days is contributed to the internet. The great information highway!
Even shows like "Jersey Shore" that are tacky can be used to teach your child. I remember my son wanted to watch it once, he'd heard how "cool" it was. Afterwards, he said "Do college kids or 20 ish kids really act like that?", which was a great way to evolve it into a discussion about what he might see in the future, how to handle it, etc. Luckily, he thought is was all moronic.
The hair, well the bible never did reverse that, we all just did ourselves. But, I don't think that might be the worse of my sins, I hope it would be!
Also, Polygamy is NOT taught in the new testament.
ReplyDeleteAmish do nothing that is offensive or abusive to their children, and they certainly to not abuse the government, or break the laws. These folks are breaking the laws in MANY ways, they are lucky to get off so easy.