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Thursday, September 19, 2013

"Sister Wives" Christine Marie and her thoughts about the UNLV Panel with "Kody Brown Family"



“Painting Us With Their Experience?”
 
That’s the name of the episode.  It’s not true though.  This was the theme of Kody’s comments – that we were painting them with a broad brush (generalizing all polygamy to be abusive.)  This was handy, but we didn’t do that.  I don’t believe that Kody physically abuses his wives or children.  I think their family is unique, and quite frankly, special.



But it is not true that I projected my experience onto them.  In fact, that is the very reason that I brought up research.  And in case I was challenged on the validity of it, I had packed a huge stack of peer-reviewed research and brought it along.  Kody repeatedly argued that I was “painting with broad strokes,” meaning that I was wrongly labeling all polygamy harmful. I said it was NOT “broad strokes.” I gave specifics.



I explained how the Canadian government was so liberal, they legalized same-sex marriage in 2004, and they legalized prostitution in 2012, but when the Supreme Court of British Columbia sought to overturn the ban on polygamy, after reviewing “the most comprehensive judicial record on polygamy ever produced in the history of the world,” Chief Justice Bauman declared that there was inherently too much harm to justify legalizing polygamy.



This had nothing to do with me projecting my own bad experience onto them.  It had nothing to do with me at all.  Or them. These are just facts.


Embracing?
 
At the debate the Brown’s said being open and embracing of those families who want to live polygamy will result in these families feeling less likely to separate themselves into their own isolated communities.



Kody explained that their family should not be treated like criminals just because other men in polygamy have abused their wives and children.  We get this.  Kody said they should have the right to live as they wish as long as they are not hurting anyone.  We get this too.  But laws are not made for the exceptions.

And most families in polygamy are not like them.



Kody’s rationale was that if all families could be allowed to live polygamy openly and publicly without fear, people would not retreat into isolated groups and there would be less abuse.  (Will get to this in a moment)

 
Rejected, Ouch! BROWNS REFUSE Photo session and Visit!
 
After the debate, I was hoping to invite the women of the Brown family to come to our Las Vegas studio for a super-fun, creative photo shoot, something that would have been modest, retro and positive, but Christine Brown immediately rejected my offer.  Without hesitating she said something like, “No I don’t think so, we’re just on two different tracks.”



FYI – My husband is fashion photographer Tolga Katas. He has a waiting list of magazines and women who want his photos or dream of being photographed by him.  I was surprised and confused by Christine Brown’s response,  so I tried to clarify.



“You mean you can’t have a photo shoot done by someone who has different beliefs from you?”



In my happy world, people can have different views and beliefs and still be friends. That’s freedom.



Christine fumbled for words and it was a really uncomfortable moment for me.  I even blushed, looked at the camera guys filming me and said, “Well, that was awkward.” I felt like I was in junior high, and a group of girls rejected my invitation to be friends because I didn’t have the same beliefs or skin color.

What Went Wrong?



Then questions and realizations started washing over me in waves – like maybe Christine Brown saw me as an enemy, or someone who threatened her “lifestyle.”   (After all, I am an abolitionist.  Among other things, I actively try to help lawmakers realize how certain religious leaders employ psychological terrorism to benefit themselves, and how religion can be used as a tool of human trafficking. )



Or maybe their prophet or Bishop or Kody told the wives in advance that associating with this particular non-believer was off limits.  Or maybe I was just too evil.



But here’s what I realized.  The moment Christine Brown shut the door to my offer, the Brown’s entire argument about how decriminalizing polygamy would create an openness & transparency that would stop isolation & abuse from happening – just flew out the window, fell to the ground and buried its head in the mud.  They want the world to be open and embracing of them, but they don’t return the favor for people who are different.



I wanted to be friends.  My door is still open.  If their answer remains a big fat “NO THANK YOU,”  it’s no big deal for me.



But they also slammed the door on associating with Kristyn Decker, their own family member, for the same reason.   Something in the Brown’s religious
mindset will not allow them intermingle with “apostates” – even if they were previously beloved family members.   I don’t consider that freedom either.   To the Right - "The Apostates"

 What Their Group Believes.



The elect and chosen people of God must associate with others like them.  Whites and blacks cannot intermarry.  Gay marriage is forbidden, there are different rules for men and for women, and the list of policies and restrictions goes on.  It’s so very legalistic, I can’t help but worry about them. Christ was about loving and forgiving one another.  Perfect love casteth out all fear, remember?  Yet while we were getting ready for the debate, we were told we had to enter the building at a different time and through a different door so the Brown’s didn’t have to see us. Christine Brown wouldn’t come out of the bathroom for ages because she didn’t want to see Kristyn.   Kristyn was filled with excitement, hope, anticipation and good will at the thought of seeing and hugging her neice Christine.  But it seemed as if Christine Brown and family were filled with a fear of her own making.



Like they wanted to drum up a reason to feel attacked.  But there was no antagonism or attacking going on, at least from our end.  There was no hatred, no name-calling, only love and hope and offers for friendship. The Brown’s saw the world from a false reality.  All four of us wanted to go to dinner with them afterward.  We were open and embracing. The Brown’s misjudged us and rejected us, not the other way around.
 
Is Fear Really Freedom?



The Brown family is unique, but even they have their walls of fear.  Legalizing polygamy will not change this.  Nothing will stop true believers from isolating themselves, or gathering the righteous, like-minded people together so they can better follow their religion.



But if the Browns, (the best example of living patriarchal polygamy on the planet), do so because they are indoctrinated by a religion that requires it, remember that it is this same religious mindset that calls for them to shun the disillusioned members, separate themselves from those who have a crisis of faith, cover their ears and discredit former members when they speak about their painful truths, and demonize those who question their way of life.



It’s the epitome of kicking a person when they are down, pouring salt in a wound or adding insult to injury – multiplied by the former value of your soul.  When the members of the AUB or other polygamist sects abide by this policy of shunning wounded defectors, then all members are aware of the painful consequences that they too might face if they do not tow the line, or if they maintain a loving relationship with someone who is speaking out about their own bad experience.


 
That must be a terrifying thought to the members of the sect, hence, people like sweet, mild-mannered Kristyn Decker become reframed as people to fear. And families like the Browns create their own victimization in their own minds. This limits their choices.



Is that freedom?  What is the real rationale for shunning Kristyn from the extended family she loves so much?  Those Brown women may be happy, and I think they are extraordinary women, but they are indoctrinated, as I once was and I hardly consider them free.


I credit and honor these women for all the things they do so very well, for raising incredible children, for being kind to one another no matter how difficult it is, for trying to make a difference in the world in their own way.


But let’s call a spade a spade.  Religiously-mandated polygamy is a tool of manipulation and in most cases, it’s harmful.  Most families are not like the Browns. And laws are made for the majority, not the exception.

 

That’s my two cents.    -  Christine Marie
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Christine's interesting story was also featured on
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Sunday, September 15, 2013

My 5 Wives Special; Spoilers, Gossip etc.

Meet the Williams, a progressive polygamist family who believe in love and commitment rather than religion. Despite ongoing hardships within their community, this modern family presents a fresh and honest look at a very controversial lifestyle.

If you missed our previous report full of pics on the Williams family 
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Short Synopsis of what we know about Brady Williams and family:


BRADY WILLIAMS: Brady was born into the Mormon Church, but until age 16, he had never heard of polygamy. At that time, his parents converted to a faith that embraced the lifestyle. Until the age of 34, he grew as a church leader before he and his family decided to break away. Currently, Brady works as a project manager at his brother’s construction business while also pursuing a degree in philosophy at the local college.

PAULIE (1st Wife): Paulie and Brady have been married for 21 years and have six children, ranging in ages from 20 to nine years old. She was raised in a polygamist family and expected Brady to have additional wives, but she is also proud of her oldest daughter, who is recently married and plans a monogamous lifestyle. Paulie works as a dental hygienist.

ROBYN (2nd Wife): Robyn and Brady have been married for 20 years and have five children, ranging in ages from 19 to nine years old. Married about nine months after Paulie, Robyn also grew up in a polygamous home and expected to be a plural wife. Dubbed by the family as the “creative” wife, Robyn has taken a few art classes and loves making handmade gifts for her large family.

ROSEMARY (3rd Wife): Rosemary and Brady have been married for 18 years and have four children, ranging in ages from 17 to 11 years old. Rosemary used to work for the family construction business but stopped after winning a scholarship at the local college. She is studying for her teaching degree in music and biology and is particularly passionate about composing.

NONIE (4th Wife): Nonie and Brady have been married for 15 years and have five children, ranging in ages from 14 to four years old. Nonie was living in Montana when she first met Brady, and the two had a brief long-distance courtship before they got engaged. She currently handles the administrative side of the family’s construction business and is the only wife that works with Brady on a steady basis.

RHONDA (5th Wife): Rhonda and Brady have been married for 12 years and have four kids, ranging in ages from 13 to two years old. Rhonda, who is Robyn’s cousin, loves to work outside the home and is now a medical assistant. Despite their immediate bond, she confesses it still took eight years before she really felt like she belonged in the family. While Rhonda says there are downsides to polygamy, she loves that her kids always have other mothers around that love them.

Names the first-born son from each wife Brady.

Like the Browns, the Williams family are hoping that putting themselves on TV will make the public more accepting of polygamy.
"Sure, it’s scary," Brady said. "But it’s important to stand up for what’s right. And it’s right to allow consenting adults who are well-adjusted and not coerced to be able to share their lives and raise their children in a stable and loving environment."

They don't want their kids to live in fear...etc.

Ok, we've heard all that before. Here's to hoping they are more honest and easy to like!

Here's an interesting quote from an article from 1997:

Polygamy remains a felony in Utah, but it is no longer prosecuted, said Eric A. Ludlow, the Washington County Attorney, in southern Utah where a number of plural families live. Polygamists, he said, get around bigamy statutes by legally marrying only one wife; the others are recognized by religious leaders, or simply by the individuals themselves. ''They go under the table, and we don't track it,'' Mr. Ludlow said. ''It's a consensual relationship between adults.''

Brady Williams was also interviewed in the article. Here's his piece, with only 3 wives then.

When Brady Williams, 27, a fundamentalist Mormon, designed a home south of Salt Lake City for his three wives, each 23, he took the separate-but-equal principle a step further than the Bakers did. The house is divided into three 1,900-square-foot apartments. Each wife has her own entrance, her own floor plan and her own furnishings. Mr. Williams, a framing contractor, bought three furnaces, three television sets and three refrigerators.
''It does get expensive,'' he said. The only space the women share is a utility room for laundry and a family room. Mr. Williams keeps a few shirts in each apartment, and he rotates his meals and nights between wives, but the entire family eats together on Sunday. In a considerate gesture he designed the house so that no master bedroom is directly above, below or next to any other master bedroom.
''I believe the girls should have their own identity and place and not be mindless zombies,'' he said, ''but want to work together at times, like when they're canning fruit. I have really good wives. It works out.''

(Source of quotes: http://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/11/garden/a-house-10-wives-polygamy-in-suburbia.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm)

1 Sister Wives "Sister Wives On the Ropes" s04e09 Spoilers, Gossip "Fun with Dick and Jane"

"Fun with Dick and Jane"

Last few weeks have been so..childish that Twisted Sister decided to make us a flip book about last weeks show....ENJOY!!!!

**Want to know what it's really like at a polygamy televised debate? read the two excellent posts below! AND, we will be hearing from some of the panelists this week, so be sure and watch for them!!!!


Does... Twisted Sister VALIDATE your feelings?

Saturday, September 7, 2013

DARGER UPDATE! A Tweet, Reminder of Sun. Nt. Show! s06e08 FREE DISCUSSION! Name that Blogger!


This picture is so darn cute!
These kids have a lot of love for each other. 
 


Free Discussion Below. This show, other shows, whatever you like!

**Don't forget to come and discuss tomorrow nights spoilers as it happens and the new video post below!

Sister Wives -A Wife Decides 

In an attempt to move forward with their new life, the Brown’s celebrate by burning the bag Kody used daily to go between each house. Meanwhile, Janelle hits a plateau with her weight loss and Kody and Meri make a decision on Robyn's surrogacy offer.

 **Name that blogger!

When I started this blog, I did it on a whim, literally. Took 3 seconds to pick a name and go! And look at where we are today, thanks to all of you. This is a blog FOR YOU. 

Now I need your help!! I need a new name! I've grown tired of MS. Something fun, something different, wanting a cute pic too! Got a good snarky name? Just a fun one? Throw out some ideas! Name that blogger!

 

 ***ADDED PM: Remember the Tweet about the Dargers Recently, that Reality Kate made a cute joke about? I guess ole Joe must not of been happy to hear about the new My 5 Wives show.

Why There Isn’t Going to Be a Darger Family Reality Show on TLC

In From Faith Goes Pop: After thewell known polygamist family the Dargers appeared on Sister Wives last season, it seemed like TLC was introducing them to the audience as prep for a show of their own. However, according to family patriarch Joe Darger says that it isn’t happening. According to Joe, TLC rejected their show My Three Wives, saying that it was too similar to Sister Wives. That’s pretty weird, considering the network had already filmed and aired commercials for the show before making the decision. He’s also backtracking a little now, saying the network was interested but that the family decided to remain off TV to protect their privacy.

Read the Rest by clicking the link below:

Joe Darger Backtracking about TLC show 

**Thanks to my generous helpers today. You know who you are!

Friday, December 9, 2011

Twas the Night Before (a Brown) Christmas

Twas the Night Before (a Brown) Christmas

T'was the night before Christmas
And throughout the Brown homes
Not a person was stirring,
'Cause it's Kody who roams.

The stockings were hung by the chimneys with care
In the hopes that Daddy soon would be there.
The children were nestled all snug in their beds
While visions of time with Dad danced in their heads.

And Janelle in her kerchief and Christine in her cap
Had just settled down for a long winter's nap.
When out on the lawns there arose such a clatter
Meri sprang from her bed to have a good natter
(at whoever was fool enough to disturb her dreams about being best friends with Robyn).

Away to the window Robyn flew like a flash
Slipped on a sock and fell on her ass
(why she has farm animals in the house I'll never know)
The moon on the dust of Vegas below.
Gave the hazy appearance of Utah below
(ah, Home Sweet Home).

When what to their wondering eyes should appear
But a little white Lexus, so easy to steer
(except through streams)
With a funny blonde driver, with hair on the fly.
I knew in a second it must be that guy.

More rapid than eagles
His spirit children came
And he danced, epileptic, and shouted their names.
"On Logan, Mariah, Aspyn and Maddie.
Mykelti and Paedon, Oh Hunter you baddie.
(Not really Hunter, we love you best)
Gabe, Garrison, Gwennie and Izzy.
Oh, good gravy, I'm getting dizzy.
Breanna,  Aurora, and Savanah too!
Is it David or Dayton; which one are you?
Young Sol and Truly they round out the crew.

To the top of the porch, to the top of the wall
Now dash away, dash away, dash away all.
Up to the house top the Lexus they flew
Loaded with debt and the wild hair-boy, too.

Then in a twinkling I heard on the roof
The wild carefree stomping of each little hoof
As I shook my head (in disbelief) and was turning around
Down the chimney Kody came with a hair flip and bound.

He was dressed from the 70's from his head to his toe
And his clothes reminded me of a big ole man %$^
A bundle of credit card bills in his hand.
He looked just like everyone else in this land.

A wink of his eye and a flip of his head
Let me know that soon we would be wed.
He spoke not a word and went straight to his work
Emptied all the stockings and turned; what a jerk.

Laying a finger inside of his nose;
Gave me the bird and up the chimney he rose.
He ran to his hot-rod and gave a wild whistle
And away they all flew like the down of a thistle.

I heard him exclaim as he flew out of sight
(It was the next wife's night)
Merry Christmas to all.  Polygamy's all right.

Written by Terrasola!

Friday, September 9, 2011

Sister Wives: Honeymoon - Safari Video Review

"Kody and Robyn enjoy a honeymoon safari and learn about the polygamous lifestyle of giraffes."
Every time I watch these little clips I see things a bit differently, don't you? We will be more than prepared for Season 3!!!  Tell us what you see  or like in this clip.