tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post782145060508025076..comments2024-02-10T00:09:14.970-05:00Comments on Sister Wives Blog: Huffington Post: Mormon Baptism For the Dead: History and Explanation of an Unusual RitualMister Sisterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01026116196375975580noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-6985770304867558552013-03-04T01:28:34.249-05:002013-03-04T01:28:34.249-05:00It wasn't ever purgatory for unbaptized infant...It wasn't ever purgatory for unbaptized infants. Purgatory is believed to be a place like hell, you suffer fro your sins, but for a finite amount of time, and then you can get into heaven.<br /><br />At one time Catholics were taught that unbaptized infants went to a place called limbo. They didn't see God, but were not in a place of punishment. Catholics are now taught unbaptized infants go to heaven, as they are sinless.Sinister Drivesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-14772999303911912822013-03-04T01:13:01.546-05:002013-03-04T01:13:01.546-05:00Well....I wouldn'd mind that, or being a dog, ...Well....I wouldn'd mind that, or being a dog, either! However, no disrespect to Border Collie, Austin Mastiff, or Boston Corgi but...Dogs have people, cats have servants (or so my cats tell me. My dog doesn't say much; being 11+, she just licks my hand and goes back to sleep).<br /><br />I had a distant cousin who repeatedly said growing up that if there is reincarnation, she wants to come back as her mothers' dog. (Everyone always laughed; no one seemed to realize what that said about her mothers' mothering skills)Sinister Drivesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-39093325368991958512013-03-04T00:56:59.130-05:002013-03-04T00:56:59.130-05:00Totally agree with Anon 1:30! I'm surprised m...Totally agree with Anon 1:30! I'm surprised more people haven't commented on how persecuted Jewish people have been throughout history for their religion! I am not Jewish, but grew up in New York City. One of my earliest memories is seeing a woman in a bus with her arm raised - I could see the number tattooed on her arm from the time she spent as a young woman in a Nazi concentration camp.<br /><br />I hope the world never forgets Sinister Drivesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-12160627685799479312013-02-05T20:59:23.305-05:002013-02-05T20:59:23.305-05:00Baptism for the dead has no historical relationshi...Baptism for the dead has no historical relationship to the bible. the entire concept is to give yourself to god by saying that you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God. If you have not uttered those important words while you were living, I doubt this ritual will make a difference. Only God can judge a person and decide. This is nothing more than fanfare gobbled-de goop. Very impressed with this blog and the work done to educate us all on all the different aspects of the Mormon culture. It gives a better glimpse into Kody's world, but also the FLDS and what is going on in their heads. Obviously, there are hopefully many God fearing good Mormons. The very leary if I were a Mormon, that God may just see you as serving two Gods, a false one, Joseph Smith. This being a good example of that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-30379731194992436132012-07-20T08:43:49.251-04:002012-07-20T08:43:49.251-04:00Gosh, I just don't get it. Must have come from...Gosh, I just don't get it. Must have come from the Book of Mormon, not the Bible. I have never seen such an all changing religion. What's next?Sandy Qnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-23929150188230545612012-03-04T02:11:15.873-05:002012-03-04T02:11:15.873-05:00Just to clarify, one of the reasons the Holocaust ...Just to clarify, one of the reasons the Holocaust survivors were so upset was the way the LDS church originally went about obtaining the names from sources not intended for that purpose. Individual Mormons can do research and submit the names of their ancestors to have temple work done (by them or by someone else on their behalf.) However, most Mormons don't do much genealogical research and most of the easy work has been done, hence there aren't sufficient names through these sources to keep Mormon temples busy.<br /><br />To get around this, the LDS church has a record extraction program, now largely automated, whereby publicly available records, such as birth records, are scoured for names and those names are use for temple work. In the 1980s/early 1990s, the LDS church obtained access to Holocaust records and converted these into tens of thousands of temple ready names which people could voluntarily use.<br /><br />To reiterate, the primary cause of the first protest was that the original records were not provided for this purpose. As part of the agreement to pull these records, the church agreed to allow no other temple work for Holocaust victims unless they were direct ancestors of someone who was LDS. I don't think high level church leaders knew about these latest offenses beforehand, but they are culpable for failing to put safeguards into place and failing to be very direct with their members about the rules. (This is due, in part, to a desperate need for names. It's also due to a few very zealous members believing that they have the right to do this anyway, which is rather perverse--in order to obey God's commandments they feel justified in breaking God's commandments.)<br /><br />Incidentally, several localities, governments and other Churches have taken steps to ensure the LDS church doesn't hijack their records like this, which has hampered all genealogists (the LDS church isn't the only one to blame. Several companies, including Ancestry.com, have upset many organizations and countries by obtaining records, sometimes under false pretenses, and then turning around an charging for access to them.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-4905999563932916462012-02-29T17:43:21.821-05:002012-02-29T17:43:21.821-05:00I think it's a very disrespectful & unnece...I think it's a very disrespectful & unnecessary ritual. The very fact of the matter is that once you die, your spirit, your SOUL is gone from that body and what's left is nothing but an organic shell. Baptizing a dead body is useless. That's why people are given "last rites" BEFORE they die. <br /><br /> Caramel Brownie I was sorry to hear you say you wouldn't feel worthy right now. I hope you meant that as all of us would have to feel that way - is anyone really worthy? Who lives that kind of life? It's asking for forgiveness, repenting and doing your best that counts.So sadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-10866403351175630552012-02-29T13:25:18.870-05:002012-02-29T13:25:18.870-05:00Totally agree, well put!Totally agree, well put!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-62429709751565012542012-02-29T01:30:59.122-05:002012-02-29T01:30:59.122-05:00The issue is that for people who have suffered (in...The issue is that for people who have suffered (in many cases, extremely suffered) in life for not denouncing their religion and not turning their backs on their beliefs, it is a slap in the face to have someone come up and say "poof, we don't believe your jewish faith is a true faith and you are now one of us." Kind of like what Hitler (and others) had tried to do during their lifetimes - getting the Jews to not be Jews. <br /><br />Imagine yourself having complete faith in something and then as soon as your back is turned (in this case - died) someone tries to refute that and change it without your knowledge or consent. Even though it may not "mean anything" in reality, it is hurtful and insulting to those left behind. <br /><br />If you were persecuted for your beliefs and tortured for those beliefs but survived with those beliefs intact only to have someone denounce your religion after you were no longer able to communicate your wishes and adopt you into theirs. I just think that it is selfish and extremely inconsiderate to say that "my beliefs" and "wishes for my afterlife" are more important than yours....so who cares, you are now one of us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-51225688869274049152012-02-27T20:12:43.850-05:002012-02-27T20:12:43.850-05:00Mormons sure must be powerful strong if they can d...Mormons sure must be powerful strong if they can deny dead people freedom of religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-62511685181487294432012-02-27T15:23:58.578-05:002012-02-27T15:23:58.578-05:00Let's hope Mormons don't resort to burning...Let's hope Mormons don't resort to burning non-Mormons, and then baptising the ashes into the Mormon religion!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-28450459753559014552012-02-27T08:41:57.795-05:002012-02-27T08:41:57.795-05:00Should burning an effigy be punished the same way ...Should burning an effigy be punished the same way as burning a person?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-19442897119173362832012-02-27T04:33:03.002-05:002012-02-27T04:33:03.002-05:00Revert to Islam. All your problems get solve.Revert to Islam. All your problems get solve.jaylen watkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11246576951108532477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-6171203073123465262012-02-26T19:53:49.993-05:002012-02-26T19:53:49.993-05:00Actually how dependent your afterlife experience i...Actually how dependent your afterlife experience is on your baptismal status varies depending on your brand of Christianity. This is one of the reasons for different ages of baptism, although I believe the last pope changed the purgatory rule for unbaptized infants a few years back.<br /><br />I am not a believer in any afterlife and while I could go the "to each his own" way, it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. From the POV of a believer it is very kind of them, but it also implies that I am wrong in my beliefs and don't have the right to my religion (or lack thereof).Math problemsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-28673041820225261592012-02-25T17:32:43.538-05:002012-02-25T17:32:43.538-05:00Does this mean we will all be Cats in the afterlif...Does this mean we will all be Cats in the afterlife now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-15410547811663361032012-02-25T17:22:32.705-05:002012-02-25T17:22:32.705-05:00There's a saying @Bar's that 2 things U ne...There's a saying @Bar's that 2 things U never talk about is religion & politics!!...lol B/c although everyone has their own opinions, that doesn't necessarily mean they are right or wrong, its just what they believe or stand for! <br />Now, on that note, I'm gonna have to disagree w/ Sarina about just living ur life as a good person will get U into heaven. But, it really all comes down to what each individual believes. As for Christians, were taught to believe that we must confess & repent of our sins & then accept Jesus Christ as our personal Lord & Savior & then live accordingly to his Word & teachings from the Bible & believing in the Trinity: God, the Father; Jesus, the Son, & the Holy Spirit. Also, spreading his Word to others, living by example, so that others will have a chance to be "saved" as well. The road of the righteous is long & narrow. <br />Our baptism ritual is done only after a person has been "saved", accepting Jesus, etc...Water baptism signifies, a New Birth, thus "Born Again", repentance for the forgiveness of sins...They are baptized by the Holy Spirit INTO Christ, becoming a child of God....<br />I believe were all gonna stand before God to be judged & held accountable for things we knowingly did was wrong, living as hypocrites, & not asking for forgiveness, etc...<br />But honestly, I also believe that if I died right now & stood before God, I wouldn't be worthy to enter his kingdom b/c even tho, I believe in the Trinity, have accepted Jesus as my Savior & have benn baptized + I'm a good person...I really haven't been living a Christian life as I should, & these are my own spiritual convictions & beliefs. I'm not saying they're right or wrong, but its what I believe & that's all that really matters to me b/c we're all gonna be judged individually. Here also, I believe, that Christians, i.e. Preachers, "prophets", Deacons,servants of the church, etc...who are living as hypocrites will have more to be accountable for...<br />On another note, my husband comes from a Mormon, LDS, background & they practice the baptism of the dead ritual...so of course we agree to disagree on this matter & religious beliefs all together. He knows my beliefs U where I stand when it comes to religion & vice versa.Caramel Brownienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-50509001117344119912012-02-25T14:12:18.275-05:002012-02-25T14:12:18.275-05:00This practice completely disregards the religious ...This practice completely disregards the religious freedom of the people being baptized by proxy. It's truly reprehensible to many. and has made genealogy far more difficult as many religions and countries are reluctant to provide information as a result. More than once asking for information by phone or in writing I had to swear I would not use it for baptism.<br />And my cats must have already started practicing the fur ball religion since they leave them everywhere and that's fine with me.PJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-91306441452783992982012-02-25T10:24:09.287-05:002012-02-25T10:24:09.287-05:00Many religions have peculiar rituals. And many use...Many religions have peculiar rituals. And many use water as a key part of the ritual. <br />Although this Mormon one is a bit bizarre....ehh, whatever..!!!<br /><br />CJ, I do remember the scene from Big Love when Bill performed the posthumous baptism for Margene's mother. <br />My reaction was "Huh??....really???....similar to "blessing the dead" except that the purpose was to ensure the deceased' soul to the *Mormon* heaven.<br /><br />Bottom line for me...<br />It seems to be more a ritual designed for the bolstering of faith and control for the *living participants* than for the dead !!Amusednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-89040444914384410602012-02-25T09:39:14.119-05:002012-02-25T09:39:14.119-05:00you're wrong.you're wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-61227285309319521012012-02-25T08:22:41.522-05:002012-02-25T08:22:41.522-05:00The above post anon 11:52 is me, Border Collie. W...The above post anon 11:52 is me, Border Collie. Was not able to sign in as such. Sorry. Hope it works this time.Border Colliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14707164450793550636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-68188188764399490202012-02-25T02:52:37.059-05:002012-02-25T02:52:37.059-05:00Gotta say I'm with anon 12:44 who made the cat...Gotta say I'm with anon 12:44 who made the cat hair religion comment. I'm a dog, and I have to say it wouldn't bother me either because I wouldn't believe it, and I would have been dead anyway. I think the LDS are misguided but not evil as a group. I don't care if they say Border Collie over and over in some ritual. Or am I wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-87925023552701354982012-02-24T23:32:30.445-05:002012-02-24T23:32:30.445-05:00If they "baptized" me by proxy into thei...If they "baptized" me by proxy into their Def Leppard religion, yes absolutely outrageous!<br /><br />I'm a David Bowie fan!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-5775219904324601732012-02-24T23:13:39.840-05:002012-02-24T23:13:39.840-05:00Sorry, typo above, I was saying the lds church tri...Sorry, typo above, I was saying the lds church tried to imply that the 9 times Anne was baptized was by rogue members, but yet we all know that is a lie, because it probably was done by family members...etc etc~The Bargain Babe from *Zucchini Summer Blog*https://www.blogger.com/profile/00408506171799321682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-69335042549874677632012-02-24T22:15:20.401-05:002012-02-24T22:15:20.401-05:00If someone started a new fad by uploading a youtub...If someone started a new fad by uploading a youtube video of themselves with closed eyes, baker's hat on head, wearing an apron and hopping on one foot saying "eenie meenie jelly beenie you are now a fan of Def Leppard" would this be equally outrageous?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-30363676096010568552012-02-24T16:51:19.279-05:002012-02-24T16:51:19.279-05:00It is a problem because they ALSO baptized Adolf H...It is a problem because they ALSO baptized Adolf Hitler a few years ago. So. If they are RIGHT about the afterlife, there's a bunch of AWKWARD going on right now.<br /><br />If they are, as I believe, just purely insane, the best case scenario is that they offended an entire group of people by saying "You were wrong, so now we will give you the choice to join our group." It all ties in to their "The LDS is the ONE TRUE church." thinking.<br /><br />Furthermore, the LDS "apology" over this states that to proxy baptize something you have to be a relative. They try to imply that the 9 times Anne has been baptized in the mormon church (I guess the first 8 didn't take??) probably WERE done by familymembers. These people are so overzealous in their geneologies, I'm sure several can trace themselves back to her...some distant cousin or something.~The Bargain Babe from *Zucchini Summer Blog*https://www.blogger.com/profile/00408506171799321682noreply@blogger.com