tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post4566420233185120448..comments2024-02-10T00:09:14.970-05:00Comments on Sister Wives Blog: Discussion Page for S05Ep04 "Polygamist Cults"Mister Sisterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01026116196375975580noreply@blogger.comBlogger198125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-18137451366241309252012-12-12T02:17:40.503-05:002012-12-12T02:17:40.503-05:00All this about Mariah is just speculating. Maybe s...All this about Mariah is just speculating. Maybe she couldn't go because she had something at school. Mariah has acted whiny, but she is still a teen. I think she acts like a typical teen; moody and self centered. She'll probably grow out of it, give her a break - she is a kid!Hepburn Hiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07098732193336475835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-2859700054298860602012-12-12T02:15:23.352-05:002012-12-12T02:15:23.352-05:00"This truth is we all have a different path t..."This truth is we all have a different path to God, and even your parents can't know that for you as an adult child."-- Alexandra<br /><br />The "grey areas of life" in your line of reasoning, refers to a body of argument within the philosophy of situation ethics. (Secular Humanism?)<br /><br />The Christian belief is that God gives each of us the freedom to make choices including "lifestyle choice". Still, according to the Bible, Jesus(in His own words) is the "the way, the truth and the life." <br /><br />Christians consider Bible is a handbook about this life, and the life to come. <br /><br />Pressure? A "higher way" setting me apart? Yes. And the cracks, where my parents experience of God was insufficient for my adult life, were real, painful and fearfully explored. But the relationship forged in my young life with the living Savior was strong and He has held onto me.<br />SoilentGreennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-17753920187409604812012-12-12T02:13:09.228-05:002012-12-12T02:13:09.228-05:00I wonder whats up though, if this actually happene...<b>I wonder whats up though, if this actually happened before the Darger beach trip because in that Episode Aspyn said she did NOT want to live in a plural family anymore... </b><br /><br />The 5K run was in September 2012, while the vacation with the Dargers was in August 2012. I think it's just a case of a teen not really knowing what they want to do yet in their life.Cynical Jinxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08613346629718091568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-77990397383848494382012-12-12T02:12:46.006-05:002012-12-12T02:12:46.006-05:00Yes - In the first season Aspyn also said she didn...Yes - In the first season Aspyn also said she didn't want to live that life. I just saw that episode yesterday, it' crazy how much they have changed. Mariah was so much thinner! All the kids have changed so much! Hunter looked like a little child in the first season! And the moms to of course - and Christine so much happier, even Kody looked younger and better. You should to a side by side; each brown before TLC(Robyn) and after. I think that maybe this was a happy family before TLC/Robyn came along. Mabe not had been since the beginning, but at that point they were happy. There was this one scene where Kody interrupted Meri and Janelle bascilly told Kody to shut it, because she wanted to hear what Meri had to say. You could see that she Meri were good friends, they touched and smiled more to each other. <br /><br />I don't agree with the comment about social skills only been had by Maddie. I think Aspyn is absolutly adorable! And Hunter to. Mykelti we haven't seen much, but I'm sure she to knows how to be around other people.Hepburn Hiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07098732193336475835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-42190704639052072212012-12-12T02:09:08.393-05:002012-12-12T02:09:08.393-05:00I have watched this show from the beginning and fo...I have watched this show from the beginning and found this site long ago. I never posted, just read other posts. I really didn't know how I felt about the Browns. Part of me said "ick" and part of me said if it works for them (live and let live). The last show totally decided for me. <br /><br />"ICK". When Koty first met Kollene (a very attractive young lady)...his comment about her was he was very uncomfortable because "Kollene comes from a place where he would qualify to be her husband." WHAT???!!!!! Not that she comes from a place that she disagrees that someone his age could be her husband!!!! His statement was so full of his own ego and totally oblivious to this young woman's position AGAINST polygamy of ANY kind!!!<br />There were two other young women in that group who also came from a place where they marry off young girls to old men...but he only points that out regarding pretty little Kollene. THat speaks for itself. He later says "Kollene sat down across from me" at the picnic. Kollene sat in one place and never moved...it was Koty who sat down in front of her. <br />I totally agree with the person who posted Kollene shouldn't have even been made to go to the Brown's. In fact none of them should have. The one girl even said it reminded her of her family and made her miss them. Oh that was real healthy when you are trying to support these young people away from the pain they are living in their own lives. I can't believe this program that helps people escape polygamy even agreed to any interaction with the Brown family. ??????<br /><br />As for Meri and her house. I'm so over that. She is being greedy. No she does not need 3 bedrooms or a wet bar. Let's face it, she's the only one LEGALLY married to him and that's really why she's getting the big house. <br />She's sounding like a broken record. "I want a wet bar...I said that from the beginning." I don't want a sliding glass door Koty, I said that from the beginning". Why does she keep repeating "I said that from the beginning" regarding the house. Maybe reminding him she's been there "from the beginning" ??? The first wife? Trying to justify why she's getting a 3 bedroom house with only one kid (who's leaving for college soon)? <br /><br />It sickened me how they ended the show with Kollene reevaluating her opinion and saying she saw what a good father Koty is....and then next week's preview is Christine saying her kids are commenting they never see him and she feels like a single mother. Looks like he pulled the wool over Kollene's eyes. LOL <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-72691464896098660172012-12-12T01:55:51.449-05:002012-12-12T01:55:51.449-05:00No, they have a large fence surrounding the entire...No, they have a large fence surrounding the entire community, it's very common in this area of town. The houses have been built to be very tall with an abundance of large windows. The windows combined with the fact that the lot to the east is vacant makes it very easy to see into the houses and I was just driving by. I could see that they are vacant with no furnishings. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-50203110039898566112012-12-12T01:45:37.151-05:002012-12-12T01:45:37.151-05:00Cynical Jinx and myself found no verification of t...Cynical Jinx and myself found no verification of their claims. Their should be proof for such a claim, and we asked for and gave ample time for them to post it. Thanks!Mister Sisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01026116196375975580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-44667910702789750522012-12-12T01:39:54.726-05:002012-12-12T01:39:54.726-05:00They can't take it off the books because it is...They can't take it off the books because it is tied to the state constitution and the creation of the state of Utah. Only way it's coming down is by the Supreme Court. GEMLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-54838675308578823562012-12-12T01:31:57.771-05:002012-12-12T01:31:57.771-05:00I saw a post here that was about some information ...I saw a post here that was about some information in a Las Vegas newspaper. It has since been removed. Is that is because the post was false and just an attempt to rile us up at SWB?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-26688228656305541032012-12-12T01:30:07.767-05:002012-12-12T01:30:07.767-05:00On the initial blog post for the ep, the one with ...On the initial blog post for the ep, the one with the sneak peek videos.<br />KoKo FoshoDecember 10, 2012 2:02 AM<br />Actually the producer came to me and told me to stop being so rude about what i had to say because he was afraid that they would not take me to vegas. the producer loved me and the kids were kinda scared i would rip into kody... i was going to but since everyone kept telling me to be nice, every thought in my mind was negative and thats why i didnt talk the whole time we were touring the houses... so many times i wanted to bitch out at kody but they all told me to calm down so i just glared alot... And as for getting paid. $0 I did this as a voice! i just wanted to get out there and exploit the pain and abuse thats going on and to let everyone know about it and that there is help if they need it... and the show sought me out.. This whole thing was 100% volunteer work.<br />DakotaJusticehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10486240799039855601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-63770983384174120262012-12-12T01:19:07.857-05:002012-12-12T01:19:07.857-05:00It appears that their backyards are very visible, ...It appears that their backyards are very visible, which doesn't seem like a great choice, is this correct?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-86688966865819372232012-12-12T01:01:06.271-05:002012-12-12T01:01:06.271-05:00I have wondered the same about Meri. On the episod...I have wondered the same about Meri. On the episode where they were being asked questions about their book (where nachos comment happened), Meri stated that she and Crody were "in love" with another woman that they were recruiting to be a wife. I believe that relationship ended because Crody was jealous, Meri was getting the womans attention. So along comes Janelle, she is not interested in Meri as a sex partner, Crody has Janelle to himself, Meri is now jealous and so now the abuse of Janelle begins. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-15623652828424011782012-12-12T00:48:17.413-05:002012-12-12T00:48:17.413-05:00I have to say, this blog really makes me laugh! L...I have to say, this blog really makes me laugh! Love the comments! I agree with the commentors that think the show has gone down hill. I really liked the women at first and I wanted to hope for theirs and their children's sakes that they really were happy. I don't know if the decision to be on a reality show is what did them in, or if there were already a lot of problems prior to doing the show, but it's became somewhat of a slow moving train wreck (somewhat painful to watch). I thought it was fascinating at first to see into a real polygamous family but now I'm starting to worry for some of the people, especially the kids. I do not believe that the children will be all perfectly fine and perfectly adjusted growing up that way, (as the Browns purport). I have somewhat personal experience in this having grown up not polygamous, but in a mainstream very zealous family. We weren't forced to wear long dresses, nor prohibited tv, yet many of the zealous beliefs I had drilled into my head as a child turned into a nightmare when I went out on my own in the real world. I was so terrified of losing my place in heaven when placed on my own in the real world that I was paralyzed with fear when not every "real life" decision and experience fit into my ideas of good and bad. The truth is life is a lot of shades of gray, but that thought was so paralyzing to me at first that for a good part of my young adult life I had scrupulosity(religious OCD). I grew up very much like the Browns in that we lived and went to school with every-day people but were expected to live a "higher law" at all times, mostly due to my Father. Don't get me wrong, I don't by any means think the Browns are bad people as I said earlier, I hope the best for them however I worry that down the road when the kids leave the nest with some kids more cracks will show. I don't worry for Logan or Maddie, but I have real concerns for people like Mariah. This whole "If you don't do this it will effect your eternal life"is a lot of pressure to put on a young person and I'm sure that is the argument they use for the polygamist lifestyle. This truth is we all have a different path to God, and even your parents can't know that for you as an adult child. Oh and btw, I don't agree that Mariah is truly a brat. I think it's hard to judge someone so young who is just trying to make sense of some weird things she's been taught from a young age. You should have seen me at age 19, I'm sure I was every bit as naive and bratty and thought the world was my oyster if I just had faith. You gotta feel bad for the girl in a way, I believe. Even her Mother that is often way out to lunch on her decisions probably is not totally to blame. She was likely taught that. Although, let's hope Mariah grows out of this before then for her sake. Finally, I just have to state my disgust with making Kollene go to see the Browns. Not that I think the Browns are bad people, but she is in a place where she needs to own her pain, not push it away. One thing that I've learned in my life is that no matter how much you've been taught anger is a "bad" emotion, it is one of the necessary stages of healing and without it you can't move on to the next stages of healing (depression, and finally acceptance). We all deserve to have our experience heard and if anger is where she is at, that is where she is at. I hope this doesn't sound too harsh to anyone reading it, I feel like Janelle, and probably Christine have good heads on their shoulders, and may not face such problems. Let's not forget though, that with a lot of religious pressure there can be problems lovable people or not, not to mention the lack of financial and general good sense teaching.Alexandranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-52665527138004137572012-12-12T00:23:08.186-05:002012-12-12T00:23:08.186-05:001) Kollene is a very YOUNG woman who endured a br...1) Kollene is a very YOUNG woman who endured a brutal upbringing. Give her a break about how she spoke. She needs to come to terms with her previous life and learn how to live without fear. <br /><br />2) I believe all the tears lately from Meri & Christine are in direct relation to Robyn. Either they want the same attention Robyn gets after her crying jags (from Kody I would guess) OR they are reading this blog and want to take some of the heat off her.<br /><br />3) Has anyone else noticed when the kids say they will not practice polygamy (or in Mariah's case that she will) their ONLY reason is that they don't want to share a husband???? Nothing at all is ever said about the "faith based" part of this twisted lifestyle. Mariah is all about having sisterwives. She is in for a BIG surprise! She has yet to fall in love with a man - then she will know what jealously really is!So sadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-42485514480385407712012-12-12T00:17:55.779-05:002012-12-12T00:17:55.779-05:00I agree with all comments about Robin. I actually ...I agree with all comments about Robin. I actually believe she may have some type of personality disorder. I can't stand all of her fake tears. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16414151882607441916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-79792853952145301462012-12-11T23:55:43.536-05:002012-12-11T23:55:43.536-05:00I thought the same thing about Logan when I saw hi...I thought the same thing about Logan when I saw him yawning while on the trip.<br /><br />Just realized that Maddie and Logan--my favorite of the teens, and coincidentally, the two who don't want to be polygamists--are both Janelle's kids. Love Janelle. Hope she gets out. (Doubt it, but I can hope.)Disbeliefnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-54050965209958765332012-12-11T23:53:09.607-05:002012-12-11T23:53:09.607-05:00I wonder whats up though, if this actually happene...I wonder whats up though, if this actually happened before the Darger beach trip because in that Episode Aspyn said she did NOT want to live in a plural family anymore... Rooneyhttp://misinformedmama.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-8802043069808908662012-12-11T23:51:42.693-05:002012-12-11T23:51:42.693-05:00DakotaJustice--where is the other blog post that y...DakotaJustice--where is the other blog post that you are referring to? I'd love to read it.<br /><br />"Koko (Kolleen) posted several times in the other blog post regarding this ep and clearly stated that she recevied NO renumeration - wasn't paid to be on the show, she did it as a volunteer to spread the word. and was told by the producer to tone down her comments otherwise she wouldn't be asked to visit the Browns in Vegas."Disbeliefnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-1792001012840981912012-12-11T23:47:43.372-05:002012-12-11T23:47:43.372-05:00The reason they put 'father unknown' on th...The reason they put 'father unknown' on the birth certificates is b/c if they then accept any form of state/federal aid (Medicaid, food stamps, etc) the state will go after the father for child support or the money to repay all that if his name is on the birth certificate. So leaving Kody off 'protected' (gag) him from being sued by the state of Utah for repayment of the medicaid and food stamps, etc. <br /><br />And I don't recall *ever* hearing Michelle Duggar say 'keep sweet'. That's an FLDS thing. And when used in a good, biblical, christian context, telling someone to choose to have a good attitude or choose to find contentment in their situation or rest in God's will is not a bad thing. But the FLDS 'keep sweet' is really more of a threat than a 'hey, let's trust that God has this all under control and choose to be happy/content/have a cheerful attitude anyway.' type statement. When you give control over to God, you aren't 'stuffing it' you're giving it up and choosing to believe that a Higher Power has control and you don't have to worry over it. When you just 'keep sweet' (which really sounds to me more like 'shut up about it and get over it' you stuff your emotions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-29441015307468304682012-12-11T23:21:22.290-05:002012-12-11T23:21:22.290-05:00I just got to watch this episode, and it made me L...I just got to watch this episode, and it made me LIVID. Everyone has covered all these points very well already, but I'm just going to add my 2 cents. I felt like the Browns were totally dismissive of these stories of abuse, and for once I was glad Robyn opened her mouth when she commented on her experience towards the end. I couldn't believe that Maddie, Logan and Aspyn made their comments at the beginning about not knowing if all of it was really true because they'd never heard a story "firsthand". Really? <br />I had always disliked Christine, but was starting to come around to her a little bit because I felt bad for her. No more. Those bizarre comments at the beginning specifically calling out Tania and "What if, God forbid, she had helped me leave?", and the IDIOTIC "Oh, I didn't know people used polygamy for control", etc at the end...Christine, I am in my twenties and grew up about as far from polygamy as possible, and I knew about the horrible things going on in these FLDS communities. Don't pretend you didn't have any clue about the things going on with Warren Jeffs and the families in his community. And the giggling/chatting/joking at the dinner table with Nicole and Kollene was incredibly insincere. <br />The Browns were so narcissistic on this episode. Instead of focusing on what these kids had survived, they only cared about what these kids thought about them. It made me ill. <br />Oh, and Carolyn Jessop wrote a book called "Escape" after leaving the community that the Jeffs were a part of. It's not the best written book in the world but the story is so compelling and she is so courageous. Christine should read it since this is all new information to her...SJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-9677458388875746822012-12-11T23:08:47.283-05:002012-12-11T23:08:47.283-05:00I find most of their tweets inappropriate - and ve...I find most of their tweets inappropriate - and very telling. The adults more so even than the kids. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-74319754287748244002012-12-11T23:07:51.750-05:002012-12-11T23:07:51.750-05:00Excellent post, WifeSolo!! I truly think Maddie i...Excellent post, WifeSolo!! I truly think Maddie is person she is and has made the decision not to be sister wife because she has seen her mom being treated so poorly by Meri and Kody....SaNdYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04040396492999207000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-50905418781992661802012-12-11T23:03:04.054-05:002012-12-11T23:03:04.054-05:00I just want to say that I think it was cut/edited ...I just want to say that I think it was cut/edited odd too. Christine was naive. A lot of people in and out of polygamy are. Some parents really shelter their kids. I too was not aware that men had the capability of being "bastards" until I was an adult. I thought men were like those I was exposed to and around, and when I got out in the world I realized that I had been around exceptional men.KateofKlevesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-74369727471367283322012-12-11T23:01:26.897-05:002012-12-11T23:01:26.897-05:00Kody - don't worry. They didn't come to y...Kody - don't worry. They didn't come to you for help of all people. They know you can't take care of your own families, so they obligate you to absolutely nothing to shoulder for them. You'd be a huge hindrance in their progress actually. Just please - leave them the hay alone and let them get real help from others. <br /><br />p.s. - nice try tho but i don't think you'll ever convince KoKo she needs to join your harem for her healing from her own bad plyg experiences. ;'pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-69647135525654691842012-12-11T22:57:16.612-05:002012-12-11T22:57:16.612-05:00Does anyone else find this REALLY inappropriate? ...Does anyone else find this REALLY inappropriate? Shouldn't that be a private text (or .... call.... :-? or VISIT?) instead of a public conversation?Kim in ABnoreply@blogger.com