tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post1847750745314070461..comments2024-02-10T00:09:14.970-05:00Comments on Sister Wives Blog: Judge questions dismissal of 'Sister Wives' lawsuit challenging Utah bigamy lawMister Sisterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01026116196375975580noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-78602123737731846352012-08-02T23:47:04.969-04:002012-08-02T23:47:04.969-04:00Many insiders know or believe that many politician...Many insiders know or believe that many politicians and ones in law enforcement say they do not believe in polygamy, then look the other way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-1725921160206564412012-07-28T21:54:53.149-04:002012-07-28T21:54:53.149-04:00Haven't quite figured out what side Judge Wadd...Haven't quite figured out what side Judge Waddoups is on. Does anyone know about him, his background, etc.? Seems he is leaning toward the Browns. What do you guys think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-80701894206644257222012-07-28T00:58:57.273-04:002012-07-28T00:58:57.273-04:00What upsets me is the ones that feel so sorry for ...What upsets me is the ones that feel so sorry for the Browns use the show as their reference for polygamy. They think that This family is different than The FLDS. And don't stop to think that if The brown's got their way ALL polygamists would be entitled to live this way. I bet if the show was a Muslim family people may think differently.Footupkodysassnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-36284730835633587112012-07-28T00:41:28.982-04:002012-07-28T00:41:28.982-04:00Yes, it was several years agoYes, it was several years agoSad_they arenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-64181694736495347202012-07-28T00:40:47.421-04:002012-07-28T00:40:47.421-04:00I agree Caramel. This board always was against th...I agree Caramel. This board always was against the way the 'Browns' live, mostly because of the welfare fraud, scamming the gov't, and the way the wives are treated. I don't see it as a board to 'embrace' polygamy. There are other boards for that. Kodouche is a terrible example of the 'good' things about polygamy, and that is why we here are offended by this man. He needs to be held accountable for his brood, financially, morally, and civilly.Sad_they arenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-20410890364723349802012-07-28T00:18:56.867-04:002012-07-28T00:18:56.867-04:00Let's hope they can & will use Jeffs cult ...Let's hope they can & will use Jeffs cult as a prime example of WHY POLYGAMY SHOULDN'T BE DECRIMINALIZED! Also, I think it's gonna take more than just using the Brown's & Dargers as prime examples of modern polygamy, b/c not very accurate to use 2 families of the 10 thousand families living the polgamy lifestyle. That's not even 1%, so they're gonna have to expand their demographics a lil bit further than these 2 families. I may be wrong, but I believe, that majority of the polygamists are old school & not as "modernized" as the Browns or Dargers appear to be. Also, the rest of America needs to fully & truly understand,that before TLC, the Browns were struggling financially & buried in a mountain of debt which consisted of multiple bankruptcies. So, I believe that America isn't getting a fair & balanced look into the real world of the polygamy lifestyle. They need to feature ALL forms of polygamy, not just the "modernized" super sugar coated version! When they give America a detailed inside edition look into ALL multiple polygamist communities, that do exist, only then, can America be able to make an informed decision about polygamy. <br />So what if the Browns or Dargers don't marry child brides, or kick their sons out at 16, there's plenty more polygamists that do, & that's what majority of their uninformed zealous fans just don't seem to understand!Caramel Browniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09670519510215215326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-52728666065503381722012-07-27T18:41:26.067-04:002012-07-27T18:41:26.067-04:00Think this interview is in Lehi before the dramati...Think this interview is in Lehi before the dramatic "flight" to Las VegasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-48203111405679734262012-07-27T17:34:40.718-04:002012-07-27T17:34:40.718-04:00I stopped being "astounded" by all of th...I stopped being "astounded" by all of these men a while back.<br /><br />Utah took federal money for a program almost exactly as you describe, and then they promptly put polygamists in charge of the program. That link I posted led you straight to a flier produced by that program: with your tax dollars. The program, while taking tens of thousands of federal dollars, never helped a single woman or complaining child leave polygamy. <br /><br />Instead, they provide free professional counseling for polygamous families. They "especially serve" the women of polygamy who are thinking about leaving. The ones who do leave? They often get help until they can find a new plural family to join... Y'know, kind of like Robyn.Bootshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05592411920718830604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-37380984993264779602012-07-27T15:20:00.278-04:002012-07-27T15:20:00.278-04:00Boots: thanks for the link. I would support a cult...Boots: thanks for the link. I would support a culturally-tailored welfare system that helps FLDS women and children leave and stay out of polygamy. Shelters and counselors specifically for women fleeing polygamy, and so on. Programs such as food stamps, Medicaid and other aid for current polygamists, thus subsidizing this illegal practice? Heck no. I suspect that we could reduce 80% of polygamy within a decade if the welfare gravy train stopped rolling into Colorado City.<br /><br />I am astounded at the arrogance of these poly-men. Not only do they think their studliness is too great to be wasted on just one woman, they think the taxpayers should fund the ego trip. I want a swimming pool in my backyard but I don't expect the government to pay for one.Magic Undiesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-90806149566258216712012-07-27T12:25:46.606-04:002012-07-27T12:25:46.606-04:00To me, the greatest danger is to the children.
...To me, the greatest danger is to the children. <br /><br />How would a court determine custody issues? Can you imagine the nightmare of shared custody in a polygamous divorce situation?<br /><br />The real damage of religious polygamy is to a child's psyche. Girls learn that their only value is as property and being a brood mare. They have no right to self-determination and their only route to "salvation" is via a man. They are always "less than". Boys who are good at math and observation will quickly figure out that they most likely won't have a chance at a wife and family. And, of course, long time readers know about the pervasive sexual, physical and emotional abuse that is rife in polygamous communities. This is the reason that British Columbia Justice Baumann ruled against polygamy ... and good that he did for the children's sake (and of course for women, too).Terrasola)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-65802234153227642602012-07-27T12:02:49.010-04:002012-07-27T12:02:49.010-04:00math Problems,
For all intents and purposes polyg...math Problems, <br />For all intents and purposes polygamy is already decriminalized in Utah and Arizona, where authorities are perfectly aware of tens of thousands of people breaking the law. This is, indeed, about legalization. The law is never enforced. The claim that abuses would be reported if it were either decriminalized or legalized is ridiculous. The abuses are inherent to polygamy itself. That's demonstrable through more than 170 empirical research studies done in other polygamous societies, worldwide.<br /><br /><br />A comparable analogy I frequently use is American slavery. We all know some slave owners were better than others. We all know the conditions of some slaves were better than others; a house slave's position was preferable to a field slave's. Some slave owners never employed physical abuse of their slaves, and extended much trust to them and in some instances even treated them as something like family. See Thomas Jefferson...<br /><br /><br />Just because not all slave owners were abusive, is it an effective argument for tighter government regulation of slavery rather than its total abolition? Of course not, slavery was inherently abusive because it created an unequal class of human beings. Polygamy does the exact same thing. Harriet Beecher Stowe knew that, too.<br /><br /><br />The Canadian Supreme Court Justice ruled that polyamory was not affected by the country's prohibition on polygamy.<br /><br /><br />The stated aim of the Browns is to challenge the constitutionality of this nations laws against polygamy. They are looking for a SCOTUS case. That's why they have Turley representing them.<br /><br />Help with the assistance fraud and abuse? LOL! Yeah, they get "help" with that already. Check this out, our tax dollars at work: http://tripleap.blogspot.com/2009/06/saftey-net-culturally-guided-plans-for.html<br /><br />Their state's own top law enforcement officer gave public instruction on how to get benefits without getting your owner, who obviously can't be bothered to feed you or your children, into trouble. He showed them how to break the law. What a joke.Bootshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05592411920718830604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-48085549892606315452012-07-27T12:00:34.609-04:002012-07-27T12:00:34.609-04:00I think it's the first step toward decriminali...I think it's the first step toward decriminalization, and do not profess to be any expert. But how on earth can they be worrying so much about Kody Brown's families welfare, and not how it will effect those in the FLDS? Pretty wild to me Jeffs crazy rants and the treatment of his "group" and animals are all over the news, and would even consider this until all was thought through so much more. I am amazed we are not looking at the welfare of these children.Mister Sisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01026116196375975580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-26394916481647413692012-07-27T11:26:38.689-04:002012-07-27T11:26:38.689-04:00I would drop about 200Lbs, the Kodster.I would drop about 200Lbs, the Kodster.math problemsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-14948765794012754792012-07-27T11:24:03.462-04:002012-07-27T11:24:03.462-04:00I'm more a finance type than a legal lady, doe...I'm more a finance type than a legal lady, does decriminalization become the "gray" area. Not legal, but official "look the other way"?<br /><br />I am not necessarily against this gray area. Would it allow a better control over abuses (welfare/financial as well as personal)? Would it help people get out if they wanted to? Or does it make it even harder to prosecute those that marry children? I don't know the answer, but I am looking forward to other's thoughts.<br /><br />I do try and keep in the back of my mind polyamorists - some of whom in my mind are living as married people with multiple adults - different than my standard of 2 adults, but no obvious harm to society. <br /><br />OTOH why is the Kody klan trying to decriminalize polygamy? Is there serious risk of prosecution? Or is this a step towards legalization and (in their minds) social acceptance?math problemsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-73414409671680125882012-07-27T04:35:50.556-04:002012-07-27T04:35:50.556-04:00I was also thinking Kristine looked way thinner. T...I was also thinking Kristine looked way thinner. They all look more polished. Meri's hair looks different too. I assumed the interview was newer and was possibly regarding the court ( fleecing) case. But if my pseudo husband told America I was fat and unattractive, and I was involved in a reality show, I would prob drop a few pounds tooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-88860094732585670792012-07-27T00:06:36.747-04:002012-07-27T00:06:36.747-04:00I was thinking the same thing, bcuz then all of us...I was thinking the same thing, bcuz then all of us that just likes to lurk on the KB FB page & twitter, we'd all be blocked/deleted....LolCaramel Browniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09670519510215215326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-2210046441195334362012-07-26T22:31:55.181-04:002012-07-26T22:31:55.181-04:00I have one, which is a "secret FB group,"...I have one, which is a "secret FB group," for anyone who has already made their mind up that they are anti decriminalization and anti polygamy. But that's the membership requirement, that you be a committed anti polygamy activist and want to be involved in such a way as to actually help the situation. If interested, please don't hesitate to contact me. I can be reached through Facebook or through the AAAP website at www.PolygamyIsAbuse.com and our contact form, where you can leave as much or as little information about yourself as you like. Thanks, kD.Bootshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05592411920718830604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-72630464468120256322012-07-26T22:25:01.600-04:002012-07-26T22:25:01.600-04:00Have been toying with it. However, many don't ...Have been toying with it. However, many don't want their real names out there, whether they are pro or con. It's a vulnerable place.Mister Sisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01026116196375975580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-34034476381351862142012-07-26T22:21:47.526-04:002012-07-26T22:21:47.526-04:00I actually wish that there was a group or facebook...I actually wish that there was a group or facebook page where there would be room for us to talk.Footupkodysassnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-78248288465237461872012-07-26T22:17:57.519-04:002012-07-26T22:17:57.519-04:00so instead of multiplying his love ( gag me with a...so instead of multiplying his love ( gag me with a spoon) his property would be divided 4 ways? lmfao.Footupkodysassnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-48078956418997973642012-07-26T22:16:36.490-04:002012-07-26T22:16:36.490-04:00No,jane! Lily asked something, and answered her.It...No,jane! Lily asked something, and answered her.It wasn't directed at any one person, a group as a whole.Mister Sisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01026116196375975580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-25674808036097370122012-07-26T22:13:37.037-04:002012-07-26T22:13:37.037-04:00They are also trying to that they are so this and ...They are also trying to that they are so this and that, example, education.<br />I would like to see statistics on how many actual polygamy members 18-22 that get a college education, when it's a well known fact from ex AUB members, they do not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-85115952558996586762012-07-26T22:10:21.745-04:002012-07-26T22:10:21.745-04:00Not sure why these replies are posted under my pos...Not sure why these replies are posted under my posting, as I thought I was on topic, brief, and to the point.<br /><br />Mods--please pm if I have gone astray.janenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-65980062634452771382012-07-26T22:05:20.962-04:002012-07-26T22:05:20.962-04:00I agree and I'm sure people have already said ...I agree and I'm sure people have already said this but I am starting to see the hidden agenda of this show. They pick an "ultra Hip surfer dude" plig who in my opinion is not very threatening. Then they give the public a "fake" view on polygamy and get the public to love them. then they pull this we are being punished for our beliefs. Even though they are ILLEGAL. and the the general public that have only watched a few episodes and DO NOT do research support them.I may not be the best educated or articulate ( As you can tell by my wording and compostion) But have enough common sense to know that if your going to go around supporting or being against something you need to do research. And I feel that the only reason Utah made a feeble attempt at legal action was to save their ass. b/c they have let people get away with it. I was also researching last night and found on Rebecca Kimbel's website. that even though the brown's say that the kids have choices the girls DO NOT!!! If the girls don't follow polygamy they will be destroyed. I am moving to Utah With CB. and we can use our drug profits to fight these people!!!!Footupkodysassnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1083130180732134503.post-205291843606540782012-07-26T21:49:12.947-04:002012-07-26T21:49:12.947-04:00I honestly, thought that's what everyone was d...I honestly, thought that's what everyone was doing, discussing & expressing their opinions.<br /> Ultimately, I think the Federal Govt needs to step in & start making the State of Utah, Colorado,Arizona & any other states that KNOWINGLY have multiple polygamists communities setting up & literally taking over cities in their states. Kind of hard to enforce laws esp, when Judges,state officials, police, etc...are the main enforcers/protectors of those polygamist communities/cities! Allowing them to cohabitate, abuse the welfare/medicaid system, etc... <br />There must & should be SOME ACCOUNTABIILTY somewhere! <br /><br />Those state officials,whether it be, Governors,Judges,DA, Senators, Police officials, etc... took an oath to HONOR,SERVE, PROTECT people, OBEY, & to UPHOLD the laws of this nation & their governed jurisdiction.Caramel Browniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09670519510215215326noreply@blogger.com