Let's continue our discussion here.
I've always wanted to ask this... did this part of an older show ever gross anyone else out besides me? And where in the heck are the plates? Robyn, a honeymoon should NOT take place in front of the kids. Why wear modest clothes if your gonna kissey kissey all the time on TV? Great way to tick off the other wives.
Also, if you have a question for Troy, please put it on the post of his below. He's been great about answering any question you might have about being in the AUB! It's nice to have some mysteries cleared up.
I've always wanted to ask this... did this part of an older show ever gross anyone else out besides me? And where in the heck are the plates? Robyn, a honeymoon should NOT take place in front of the kids. Why wear modest clothes if your gonna kissey kissey all the time on TV? Great way to tick off the other wives.
Also, if you have a question for Troy, please put it on the post of his below. He's been great about answering any question you might have about being in the AUB! It's nice to have some mysteries cleared up.
Anonymous said (BELOW on other thread)...
ReplyDelete"Out of all the wives Janelle is the only one that can put a full sentence together and make any sense. She is also the only wife that worked when they were in Utah -- why she can't find employment in Vegas has yet to be disclosed. Kody's concern was that he would be portrayed as a misogonist -- really, Kody? That was your focus?? I thought this meeting was to enlighten others about your so called religious belief to commit bigamy and laugh in the face of authority. Okay, two states down and 48 to go. Good luck with that! Robyn, get a grip -- enough with the hormonal cry fest. You knew what was going to happen. And as for the weight issue -- gracious, those young girls need to get it under control NOW. What is up with that??? The previews of next week's show has Kody whining about not having a "guys night out" -- you have 4 women to nail. Get over it!!"
THAT COULDN'T BE SAID ANY BETTER. EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS, WITH BETTER WORDING!!lol
Aww.. I really like the Brown family. I see a lot of love, which is more than I had growing up.
ReplyDeletethey are not perfect. I wish they Weren't doing this lawsuit. But, if the kids don't have a parent there, they have each other. And, I don't feel there is any physical abuse there.
Anyone catch the look on the kodster's face when they were on the couch (I think) after the clip about brother husbands. He looked a bit perturbed to me. I have to go back and look at that again. Loved Mariah with the frontal lob jab too!
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone else think Kody has crazy eyes?
ReplyDeleteI would SWEAR he was using Meth if I didn't think he wouldn't know where to get it.
I mean- his eyes are more than wild ALL THE TIME.
And, you are right. He's not super good at hiding his anger. I think he does meth. Easy to do jotting from on place to another.
And, who has the energy he pretends to have?
It all makes sense.
And yes, I gagged when I saw this episode. How are those kids supposed to eat after that?
ReplyDeleteCurious that Hunter (since he is one of the older kids) was not included on the Boston trip. Did anyone else get the feeling that maybe Logan has a bit of a crush on their new friend Danielle? The way he was talking about her seemed that way to me! Although, in my opinion, the way she speaks annoys me more than Christine at this point.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if the Kodster actually visited Plymouth Rock while he was there, since he was making the reference to it in his analogy. It's only a few miles from Plimouth Plantation. Would've loved to have seen his hair flowing in the breeze while he stared at the Rock overlooking the Mayflower (NOT!!! LOL)
They did go to Plimouth Plantation (where Christine got in some poor pilgrim woman's face). Kody said he considers the place "sacred" because the pilgrims were also the victims of religious persecution. Too bad he didn't respect the place enough to muzzle his rude wife. Sadly I think Christine is too dense to realize they weren't real pilgrims. Kody comparing his dash across the border to Vegas and the pilgrims sailing across the ocean from England was priceless...I hope the ghost of my Mayflower ancestor starts haunting him!
ReplyDeleteI have to wonder, if Kody had met Robyn first, if there would have been 'sister wives'? I haven't heard about him being so in love or falling in love at first sight with any of the others. An 11 day honeymoon? Hmmm. Did the other sisters get a chance to "catch up" on their time? Didn't one of the gals only have a weekend honeymoon - camping? I suppose I missed something...
ReplyDelete@ boston corgi - I just meant since Plymouth Rock isn't at Plimoth Plantation. Plymouth Rock is on the waterfront in downtown Plymouth and Plimoth Plantation is a few miles up the road.
ReplyDeleteI think TLC should retitle the show: Kody & Robyn + 3. It really would then be more realistic.
ReplyDeleteFirst, let me say, I agree with a poster above. I think I would feel very differently about the Browns if they hadn't filed the lawsuit. It took all the credibility out of their "we just want to be accepted".
And then, this really is the Kody and Robyn show. Season 1 - courtship and marriage. Honeymoon special. Season 2 - the move to Vegas, Robyn's pregnancy Season 3 - the new baby. Every episode has some centering on Robyn, Robyn's kids, or in some way Robyn gets the spotlight. What I think is truly sad is this: if TLC had not come along and offered them a show, there would be no Robyn. I would be interested to see if the courtship started right after the contracts were signed.
These last couple episodes have been painfully boring. Thank goodness for the hiliarity of the recaps here!! I feel like they are just filler episodes to the birth of the new baby.
I agree Anne and this blog is the best! Since this week's episode was 60 minutes long, I can't wait for Cynical's doubly snarky review!! ;)
ReplyDeleteWow! Awesome comments here!
ReplyDeleteMy thoughts:
- Robyn is even more annoying (if that were possible) now that she's pregnant and probably validates herself crying all the time - I love how ALL the other adults sat on the far left with the kids separating them from Robyn on the far right
- That lady from Kody's hometown had it right when she said she wasn't surprised Kody went to polygamy because he "loved being the centre of attention" - apparently he was an attention-starved egomaniac even as a teen and everything is starting to make sense to me - the wives, the sole husband to so many, attaining "God status on another planet", the TV show... this whole setup is Kody's heaven on earth. (minus the balding)
- Those students were from elite east coast schools and that was the BEST questions they came up with?! Wow. I'm Canadian but I hope that is not a true representation of America's brightest minds at work - I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume Kody had to approve all the questions
- Poor Janelle. She has NO idea what's it's like to have an intellectual equal as a soulmate and I'm sure that's why polygamy works for her. More women to take the baby-man she calls a husband off her hair. If I was married to Kody I'd want sister wives too. Actually, I'd rather have a noose.
- Notice how when Mariah explains why she wants polygamy she says it's for the "sister wives" - that is exactly why Christine says she wanted it.... hmmm... very interesting. Well my dear Mariah, if you find a great guy who isn't a doofus like your daddy I promise that it's possible to be fully fulfilled and happy without sister wives.
I agree...a picture of Kody by the rock would have been hilarious. My guess is he didn't want the ocean breeze to whip his hair around or they're so confused they drove right past it. Wonder what poor city is next for the Brown madness?
ReplyDeleteAw, dang, I was hoping for a Cynical review.
ReplyDeleteI can't wait to see Cynical take on Christine's terrible behavior this week!!
I posted this on the other entry for this episode, maybe I should have posted it here: I got a kick out of Christine apparently not understanding the concept of historical actors/characters at these kinds of places. "WE ARE TOO CHRISTIANS!" Not to a Pilgrim woman from the 1600s, you're not. Those actors are supposed to stay in character. The woman wasn't necessarily responding with what she personally believed, but with what her character believed. Christine was basically arguing with someone who's been "dead" for hundreds of years. She really didn't seem to grasp that. It made me laugh.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I saw Kody's face too when they were talking about the "brother husbands." He was Not Amused At All. He actually looked kind of scary.
Maybe all this desire for sister wives expressed by Christine, Mariah, etc. is really a desire for real female friendship? Someone who'll stick around and be there for you, help you when you need it, etc. It's true that in the U.S. families are often more independent of each other, extended family doesn't necessarily live close by... you might have friends, but they aren't required to always be there for you. Just a thought. Like maybe the system kind of exploits that desire for close (platonic) female friendship.
Also, like others have pointed out, at least Meri has said she probably wouldn't have done polygamy if it weren't for the religious tenet. The women also all say that of course they aren't second-class citizens, they aren't marginalized, etc. But if their religion tells them they can't be saved/go to heaven/have a good afterlife without a man to bring them there and practicing polygamy, I do see that as being marginalized. And yes, why does the man not have to learn to control his jealousy in this way?
I vote for Florida as their next trip-I can see them hitting up TLC to get everyone to Disney. Then Logan gets to watch the other 16 kids while the adults go off and have fun. But, wait, I don't if the Kodster is used to them darn mechanically inclined rides-he prefers riding down a hill on a block of ice!
ReplyDeleteOh yeah! I also wanted to say about the picture: I think the plates are stacked next to the 2 jars of salsa. I think it's good for kids to see that their parents really do love each other by seeing their parents share small signs of physical affection (hugs, very small/short kisses, that sort of thing) with each other. But not too much! It isn't your private time! This part of that episode definitely creeped me out. Robyn and Kody kind of went to the extreme of seeming to forget the kids were even there.
ReplyDeleteI know folks, Christine arguing with someone in character cracked my fat ass up!
ReplyDeleteShe think she is so cool..and it is annoying. If I were from Boston I would be totally miffed at her trying to have an accent.
What a big dumbass. MORE ANNOYING EVERY EPISODE.
Coffee??? What? I know hundreds of Mormons; mone of them drink coffee. I think it is a tenant of their faith. I guess AUB is okay with coffee. Troy, is that true? Can AUB folks drink coffee?
ReplyDeleteLogan is getting on my nerves too.. It's like he's a mini Kody.
ReplyDeleteI don't know what accent that was, but it wasn't Boston! Yikes...this gets more entertaining each week
http://tlc.discovery.com/videos/sister-wives-brother-husbands.html
ReplyDeleteLook at Kody's face at about the 1:03 mark. Meri is laughing and Kody looks quite concerned.
oh yeah I had noticed kody's face in the promo/preview. He is PISSED about Meri talking about other husbands. I got ten bucks that says she got chewed out later by him about it.
ReplyDeleteAnd yeah I understood the lady at the living history museum saying "You aren't christians" because she was in character and absolutely they would not have accepted the Browns back then. That nugget of wisdom flew right over Christine's head.
Although there could be argued that no other Christians consider the Browns to be one of them. In today's society. It's like you can call yourself a turtle all you want. You can make the other turtles be PC and call you a turtle. You can say well my NAME is TURTLE so I must be a turtle.
But everyone agrees that you are still a duck.
poor Da-un. He looks like he's had to check out to his happy/sad place. omg....what is seriously going to become of him? he's already so lost in the mix and now he's big brother to the King Solomon.
ReplyDeleteand whoever said that it's too bad Kody didn't meet Robyn first. Yeah, he was 21-22 when he married and Robyn would have been 10-11 and that sounds like a typical plyg marriage made in heaven! lol
Christine is delusional thinking she's the spokesman for marketing polygamy and is doing a great job of it wherever she goes! Those people in character didn't have to hear the usual "it's all about us wherever we go!" from Christine. She volunteered the info and is too dumb to even get why that was not only dumb on her part but shows once again how she demands respect from everyone but gives none back.
ReplyDeleteYou're supposed to be there to LEARN FROM THEM about long ago history. They don't need you teaching them about your current day polygamy situation. DUH!!
And did anyone catch Robyn again butting in on Kody's talking moment with "the proof is in the pudding!" First of all, he wasn't even talking about any of her kids - it was the older teens he was referring to and secondly, ROBYN - SHUT UP!! You add nothing to the conversation every time you butt in on someone let alone when you get your own moment of glory talk spotlight.
Her and Christine are both lacking in common courtesy and just come across as know-it-all know-nothings.
Monogamous Christine: I believe you are right. I know a Mormon family and they actually don't partake in anything that has caffeine. Although, I've seen their kids eat chocolate.
ReplyDeleteCommenting about the presentation: Did anyone else think that when the audience clapped, it sounded like a really small crowd? Even the camera shot was very narrow. I wonder if they did not have a really large turnout. I am curious as to how they controlled the questions. I can't believe that a single person didn't question their ability to support themselves without subsidies from the government. I wonder if there was a lot of editing done because all the questions really just focused on the same thing.
And....the Browns should just stop with the Warren Jeffs discussion. I don't think anyone ever compared them to Jeffs. I think they are using this as diversion.
And to the poster above from Canada -- I would say these students are not a fair representation of the students in the elite east coast universities. Or perhaps any of the universities on the east coast. Remember these students are also ones that have now taken Pastor Danielle's course and she has drunken the Kool Aid of what is the Kody Brown and Clowns travelling side show.
Dayton couldn't look more miserable in that picture. WHY doesn't his dad come and get him??? Maybe he could get Gloria Aldred as a pro bono lawyer and he could get custody of those kids.
ReplyDeleteLol I appreciate the reassurance Anne, that the sampling of students was not a fair representation of elite east coast schools- I assumed as much! phew!
ReplyDeleteIs anyone else getting REALLY tired of the Browns trying to piggy-back their decriminalization of polygamy agenda with the gay rights movements?
Like seriously, stop trying to say it's a "lifestyle" choice and cry that "well if gay people can marry than we can marry however many wives we want!"
Gay rights and polygamy are two TOTALLY separate issues and it is completely illogical for them to try to lump them together. I'm tired of the smoke and mirrors they put up around the real issues of polygamy.
Umm...sorry to burst the bubble, but those students are a representation of what's at the elite east coast schools...I happen to work for an ivy and yah, I leave shaking my head alot. I suspect that these "kids" were handpicked by Danielle and the crowd didn't look large, probably because it was opened to just her class perhaps?.
ReplyDelete""Is anyone else getting REALLY tired of the Browns trying to piggy-back their decriminalization of polygamy agenda with the gay rights movements?
ReplyDeleteLike seriously, stop trying to say it's a "lifestyle" choice and cry that "well if gay people can marry than we can marry however many wives we want!"
Gay rights and polygamy are two TOTALLY separate issues and it is completely illogical for them to try to lump them together. I'm tired of the smoke and mirrors they put up around the real issues of polygamy.""
Actually, the Browns doing this comparison is the normal and expected expansion and 'move down the slippery slope'. This expansion of the definition of marriage was exactly the argument used by the opposition to gay marriage. Remember, those opposed kept using the definition of marriage as being between ONE man and ONE woman.
I wouldn't have a problem with the polygamist lifestyle if one woman with multiple husbands was as common as one man with multiple wives. Biology and math - polygamy's fatal flaw. I wonder if anyone asked the Browns about that?
ReplyDeleteThe plates are right there on the table, just to the left of the 2 jars of salsa.
ReplyDeleteRobyn NEVER misses an opportunity to throw a passive aggressive dig at her fellow sister wives. Did anyone else catch it when she said that if you don't support the marriage between your "husband" and his OTHER wives, YOU HAVE FAILED!!! She didn't look toward the tiny audience, but instead turned toward the sister wives.
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I worry about Robyns kids but lets face it, with a mother like her and what we can assume their dad is like (from his last name, what Robyn has said and the fact that the kids are still partaking in the show) they are probably a lost cause. I worry more about the original Brown kids. They grew up with 3 'mom's' and would have been used to sharing Dad around with all the kids and the 3 moms. Enter Robyn. At first, the teenagers liked her and then Dad started kissing her and spending more and more time with her and they saw their moms suffering, more and more, one by one because of the presence of Robyn. Watching their Dad kiss Robyn, knowing it hurts their moms, would KILL those kids.
ReplyDeleteJoanne.
PS Notice how I said mom and not mum even though I am from Australia? lol
Joanne you should've said mum, I LOVE that endearment. Hey do you Australians also use the endearment, OUR Hyacinth, Our Rose, Our Daisy etc? I just LOVE that! Oh and is it Father Christmas in Australia as well??? I love that to!
ReplyDeleteI don't believe what Robyn said about her kids being an abuser. It was SHE who was buying all the Victoria Secret!
I'd like to see the bio dad on the scene getting his kids OUTA that mess.
Edit I don't believe what Robyn said about her kids FATHER being an abuser.
ReplyDeleteOoops!
I, too, was really grossed out by this "special moment" between Robyn and Kody. It seems a little insensitive to the children, especially since Kody had only been their new father for a little while at that point.
ReplyDeleteAlso--look at the look on poor Dayton's face. I can't imagine it is easy for him to see his family change so rapidly, and with all this PDA!
ReplyDeleteprofpeeplewatcher: I have to respectfully disagree. I have friends and siblings that have gone to some ivy's and other highly ranked east coast institutions. I don't believe a single one of them would have not questioned the Browns more rigorously. Yes, Danielle probably handpicked these students knowing they would not be controversial. That still doesn't explain how the audience was not more inquisitive.
ReplyDeleteModernWife: agree with you too. Honestly, I thought the Mormons were very anti-gay (probably not the PC term). The Mormon family I knew would not have tolerated homosexuality in any form. Their oldest got married at 19 yrs old, their second is a freshman at BYU and they have another child. I forgot what domination they said they were, but I assume it is mainstream Mormon.
Somebody correct me if I am wrong - I thought Gay Marriage was not yet legalized in all states. It is still very state specific, is it not? Regardless, I support gay marriage - it is still one person and one person. The union of two for a life long committment. I'm okay with that.
If they legalize polygamy, then what will be next - what if your crazy neighbor wanted to marry their dog? Will the statutes clearly have to be written to specify humans. Then what if you know, brothers and sisters wanted to marry (gross), but not totally unheard of.
None of the gay families I know live off of food stamps, credit cards, and bankruptcy. They are two income families where the children receive plenty of attention, participate in youth activities, and do well in school.
ReplyDeleteThere is no comparison to polygamy with the inherent imbalances.
Someone needs to tell Robyn she is not demonstrating Christian values when she desires someone, even someone as wrong as Warren Jeffes, to hell. If she is a "Christian" she should speak and act like one.
ReplyDeleteWow, I am so happy I found this blog. First a clarification about a few things from this thread, Mormons, or members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, cannot drink coffee. Caffeine, however is not against their code of health, known as the Word of Wisdom, but many members of the faith choose not to consume that either, of their own volition.
ReplyDeleteThe LDS Church, or the "mainstream Mormons", are not anti-gay. They do not condone gay marriage, but they believe in allowing all men to worship how, where, or what they may. Openly gay men and women are welcome in their congregations but since they believe in no sex outside of marriage and that marriage is between a man and a woman, any sexual activities outside of marriage for heterosexual or homosexual men and women will be met with church discipline.
Now, please tell me who Troy is. Is he is current or past member of the AUB? I am fascinated with their religion and have several questions. Actually, I wondered about the coffee drinking, myself. I mean they say they follow what Joseph Smith taught and yet part of his teachings were the very Word of Wisdom I spoke about earlier. Ok, sorry to be so long as a first-time poster.
Piliocolobus we do say mum and mummy but the 'Our Joanne' thing is a pommy (English) thing. My MIL is a proud Pom even though she has lived here for 40+ years and often refers to me as 'Our Joanne' which I take as a huge compliment.
ReplyDeleteI am a pretty proud Australian but we are only on season one of sister wives so we have to be sneaky about how we get it and its very hit and miss. We have Father Christmas and Mother Christmas but he is also referred to as Santa.
Tuesday my understanding is that Troy is a former member of the AUB and as for the coffee drinking, I think the AUB are like most religions, the select the bits they want to follow and throw the rest out. The morman church are not anti-gay as long as you don't act on it. Big ask I think. I hate that polygamy and gay marriage get lumped together as polygamy is a choice and homosexuality is how you are at birth. I would hate it if someone told me it was wrong to love (and show my love for) my husband. It doesn't surprise me that the church has that stance though, its only recently they have relunctantly let 'people of colour' into the church. Any church that excludes people because of things they cannot control doesn't get my respect.
Joanne.
Hi,Joanne,
ReplyDeleteAll people were allowed to join the LDS Church, it was just the Priesthood that was not given to all males at first. It has actually been since 1978 that was changed. I'm not taking sides, or saying one way is right or wrong, but I just wanted to make sure the facts were presented correctly.
Thanks for the info on Troy, I'm really curious about several things from the AUB faith.
1. How do they feel about the WofW?
2. Do AUB members wear the long sleeves and long pants (or at least capris) because of covering religious clothing?
3. Do they use all of the same scriptures that the LDS Church does?
Thanks!
Tuesday you are completely correct in that 1978 the church changed to include other races in the priesthood. To me, that's recent. I understand women are still excluded? I have been studying the Mormon church for some time now, I am fascinated by it and by the breakaway fundamentalist groups and I know this is going to offend any Mormons who read it but I think it was all started by a man who was full of lies and fantasy and wanted to force his wife to accept that he slept around. The mainstream Mormons only dumped polygamy to gain statehood and all plan to practice it after death.
ReplyDeleteYour questions about the AUB are best answered by Troy I think, although I do understand that they wear the Mormon underwear, or at least an older style version of it (another thing that makes Mormons weird, why would god care what undies you wear?) and they do study the same scriptures as the mainstream Mormons but of course as with all religious scriptures, put their own slant on it. :o)
Are you mainstream Mormon? I am really not trying to be offensive, just find it amazing what people choose to believe in order to get to the celestial kingdom.
Joanne.
Piliocolobus! What about our Violet? My sister with a Mercedes, a swimming pool, and room for a pony!!!
ReplyDeleteYours truly,
Onslow ;)
Hi Joanne,
ReplyDeleteI am in fact,LDS. Polygamy came long after Joseph Smith restored the LDS Church, but I understand that there are many misconceptions about him and the faith itself.
I'm so curious about the Fundamentalist Mormons because from what I have found, they split off from the Fundamentalist LDS church, which split off from the LDS church. It's curious, especially when Christine says their religion isn't a "twist" on anything, when it just based upon actual historical facts, it is. I am honestly interested to understand just what they do and do not believe and practice.
Mormons are very much anti-gay. They consider it a sin and still a lifestyle choice. Google Evergreen as well as google what their behind the scenes dealings were in getting Prop 8 passed in California.
ReplyDeleteI have several Mormon friends who left the church due to the Prop 8 disaster. Since then, the mormon church does say MAYBE it's a choice HOWEVER even tho you are welcome at our church, NO you can never have sexual relations nor marry and keep your membership. PLUS, NO you cannot date or hold hands or kiss like a heterosexual member is allowed to do. But we love and embrace you! lol
Sorry, but there are A LOT of very sad Mormon gay suicides going on in Utah to this day. It's in the news all the time there. just google it if you don't know. There are still A LOT of Mormon kids that are kicked out of their homes when the parents find out and the kids don't "change." I'm not saying they all are but a significant number still are being turned out.
So, I REFUSE to let the above nonsense and untrue statement go by about the Mormon Church's stance on homosexuality. I have two good friends who are Mormon family counselors there and they say it is a very sad situation they deal with every day with their clients.
And just to clarify, I am MOST DEFINITELY talking about mainstream Mormonism or the LDS. In fact, Dustin Black (former gay mormon and director of MIlk and writer on Big Love) made the movie two years ago about the Mormon Church's background money raising event to pass Prop 8 in California. It's extremely well documented and is called 8: The Mormon Proposition.
anyway, please study it out for yourself and DON't TAKE a Mormon's word that they aren't anti-gay cause they don't even know what that really means!
Anon 9:29 wow, sorry you feel that way. Funny though, as I am LDS and have a brother who is openly gay, you do not have all the facts. I find what you wrote extremely offensive and hurtful.
ReplyDeleteTuesday, I am sorry that hurt you but it's better for us to see that a Mormon will actually say what they think VS lie. I believe it's called ignorance. Just overlook it.
ReplyDeleteTuesday, if you scroll down you will see that Troy has answered a lot of questions already about the AUB faith. Check some of the other topics and comments.
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ReplyDeleteHi Joanne,
I am in fact,LDS. Polygamy came long after Joseph Smith restored the LDS Church,
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Not that long after Tuesday. Historians put Joseph Smith's first "wife" as Fanny Alger in 1832. After that he took many. A lot of Mormons think that it was all down to Brigham Young, which is incorrect. For a history of polygamy and Joseph Smith read Todd Compton's "In Sacred Loneliness. (The author is LDS)
I too am LDS and have a gay cousin and other gay friends, we love and accept him and he accepts me, for myself, it is sad to see all the misconceptions about LDS members. It should be mentioned the LDS is not the only faith against gay marriage many faiths were against it, as well as marrying more the one person. Quit acting like it is just LDS families that have suicides with gay members, many other faiths do as well. If the family didn't accept him it was the family not the faith, my kids are tattooed, pierced, and live a life a don't choose myself, but we help them with college, and make sure they know we love them, we see our grown children at least 2 times a week. Don't think you know a faith just because you read about it online or from a few people, faith is personal and if you believe in Christ and God you love everyone.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 9:07am: "...if you believe in Christ and God you love everyone."
ReplyDeleteLove and accept are 2 different verbs, honey. How many times have I seen "hate the sin, love the sinner"? And the LDS church was a HUGE contributor to California's Prop 8. It's a FACT. So, like many Catholics and Protestants, LDS members may accept gay people as friends, but the official church position is that loving someone in a gay relationship is sinful.
Sheesh, I should read my posts 3 times before posting... When I said "loving someone in a gay relationship is sinful" I didn't mean that loving someone who happens to be gay - like a friend or family member - is sinful.
ReplyDeleteI think the questions were screened. I went to uni in Las Vegas and these students wouldn't even accurately represent the uni here. I mean, the Browns do get offended easily and most of them cannot converse or discuss their beliefs without getting angry. Polygamy is not common in the U.S. People have questions, I don't understand why they can't just answer and discuss. Maybe we all would understand more if they would hit on those touchier subjects.
ReplyDeletePeople ask me crazy ignorant questions about me being an atheist and I don't get offended in the least. I love discussing and can't imagine getting angry over genuine inquisitive minds. How else can anyone learn?
And this whole equal rights thing, if polygamy was legally allowed, how would their taxes work? And how in the world would that be equal? I don't think it can be. Imagine the tax break they would get. "Oh well I have four wives, so yea I make 6 figures but go ahead and drop me into the lowest tax bracket there. Thanks." - Legally-married-to-four-wives Kody
And imagine with all of those dependents! He'd be living the life.
To bloggers about Mormon church being anti-gay. THE CHURCH DOES NOT ACCEPT GAY PEOPLE AT ALL. It doesn't matter how nicely you want to believe they are, doctrine is there stating they do not accept it. Furthermore, if a thing is unholy, then it is of the devil. That is in the literature also. You need to know what your own church is about. Don't just sit around fooling yourself without really knowing what you are standing for. I was an active Mormon for many years. No matter how wonderfully open you would like to sound to the world, and fool yourself in the process, you cannot change the facts. Look up the doctrine. It's ignorant that an LDS comment was, "Oh, polygamy wasn't practiced after Joseph Smith restored the church." You are really giving your religion a worse off name when you don't know the facts.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, I forgot to mention that I am not at all a Mormon. What a crock of lies and hiding your heads under the sand group of people. In the church meetings, you don't even want to discuss the "real doctrine". Joesph Smith was such a pervert. He married young girls one the age of 14. This was not out of any necessity. He also stole wives of other men and sent them on a mission. There are actual historical documents from that time that prove all of this. All you have to do is look it up online. The Mormon church is a bunch of hypocritical, judgmental, better than everyone else,racist, men centered cult.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry but their statements that they accept gay people (I'm talking about the Browns here) is so conveniently false. Undereducated non-proper-English-speaking-Robyn looks like she's about to puke just sitting next to the gay student at the dinner table in the Boston episode.
ReplyDelete"Troy, is that true? Can AUB folks drink coffee?"
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No. Coffee is definitely forbidden in the AUB. Some people make exceptions of themselves, of course.
Tuesday asked: "Now, please tell me who Troy is. Is he is current or past member of the AUB? I am fascinated with their religion and have several questions. Actually, I wondered about the coffee drinking, myself. I mean they say they follow what Joseph Smith taught and yet part of his teachings were the very Word of Wisdom I spoke about earlier. Ok, sorry to be so long as a first-time poster."
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I grew up in the AUB. My parents converted to that group when I was seven years old. Prior to that, they had been active LDS members. They got into Mormon fundamentalism because they believe the LDS Church gave up its most important doctrines, like polygamy.
I left the AUB when I was 17, frustrated at the discouraging educational opportunities. Mormon fundamentalism is a severely anti-intellectual faith, but my childhood dream had always been to become a great scholar. After I broke away I went looking for the most intimidating intellectual challenge I could find and I discovered it in philosophy. It was clear to me that to have the best education I could possibly get, philosophy was the subject. It also fit in perfectly with my greatest concerns about life. One branch of philosophy is ethics, which is the philosophical study of morality. To me, there isn't a more important subject on earth than ethics. Today, I'm a public philosopher with expertise in human rights and justice. I also teach about religions of India. I could teach a whole course on Jainism and I wouldn't have to use notes.
The prohibition on coffee has never made sense. The scripture itself only forbids "hot drinks" and "strong drinks." From this they derive coffee and alcohol as being evil, even though the scripture itself is known merely as the "word of wisdom."
In my experience, LDS members are much more uptight about this rule than fundamentalists typically are, unless those fundamentalists are recent converts. This reflects an earlier period when these rules weren't so closely observed, which is when the Mormon fundamentalists broke away from the larger church. The strict adherence to these rules has been a later development in Mormonism, which came after the larger church gave up polygamy.
Thanks for your remarks, Kaylynn. Blunt words indeed, but facts. The way homosexuals get treated in Mormonism is just a crime. They say they love the sinner but hate the sin. They should instead focus on loving all people and hating their own sins. The LDS Church didn't change their policy toward black people until 1978, long after the civil rights movement had brought the rest of the country a bit of enlightenment. Of course this caused a surge in converts for the fundamentalists, who were there to take in all of the LDS members who thought that this time their religion had gone too far.
ReplyDeleteGood point about their tolerance toward gays being a lie, Massengill. I've never met anyone more hateful of gays than Mormon fundamentalists. They have only recently admitted to being tolerant of gay marriage, and that's only because of their faulty and self-serving reasoning. They despise gays more than anyone else I know, but they'l jump on that bandwagon for their own selfish purposes. It's a religion devoted to sex, and everything else bows down to this god.
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Should it? Seriously, are you trying to take the heat off the LDS because "other faiths do it too?" What kind of morality is that?
The moral person avoids doing immoral things and doesn't look to the behavior of others as a moral guide. Morality comes through reasoning; not looking around to see what's going to fly.
Tuesday asked:
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As I said earlier, this depends on how long ago a person left the LDS Church to become Mormon fundamentalist. The multi-generational families tend to be less strict among Mormon fundamentalists. Warren Jeffs drank like a fish before they put him in prison. Same with his father.
2. Do AUB members wear the long sleeves and long pants (or at least capris) because of covering religious clothing?
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Yes. Endowed members wear the long-style garments. They refuse to wear the shortened version that has been adapted by the LDS Church. Even capris aren't long enough, although I've seen some AUB women who will roll them up enough to be able to wear dresses of mid-calf length. I'm not sure what the story is with the Browns, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have let him marry four women unless they were getting their endowments.
3. Do they use all of the same scriptures that the LDS Church does?
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Precisely the same, except they don't skip section 132 of the Doctrine and Covenants. The LDS Church ignores that one now.
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ReplyDeletePeople ask me crazy ignorant questions about me being an atheist and I don't get offended in the least. I love discussing and can't imagine getting angry over genuine inquisitive minds. How else can anyone learn?
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This is what signals cult status to me. I am Catholic and like you I also get off the wall questions about it from time to time, but I don't get offended, I actually like to discuss it. When you get crazy defensive about your "religion" and can't discuss it with others, maybe you should start questioning exactly what it is you believe and why.
As far as Mormon's accepting gays, no the church does not. Neither does my church. Individual Mormon's may very well accept gay people just as I, an individual Catholic accepts gay people. That does not mean the church accepts them.
Katelynn,
ReplyDeleteIf you were referring to my comment, "Polygamy came long after Joseph Smith restored the LDS Church..." You misread. I did not say that polygamy wasn't practiced after he restored the church, I said polygamy came after he restored the church. People were inferring that he only restored the church to practice polygamy.
Thanks, Troy, for the info.
ReplyDeleteI will of course, respectfully disagree with several of your thoughts on the LDS church, but I honestly appreciate the info on the AUB.
Sorry Kaylynn not Katelynn. Sorry for using the wrong name.
ReplyDeleteDuring Christine's pregancy with Truely, the Kodster dated Robyn and had what sounded like inappropriate contact during C's labor and delivery.
ReplyDeleteI would like to know if this scenerio is common with fundies.
This was so cruel, really beyond the pale, and I am surprised no one brought it up before.
On a cattier note, it bothers me when the ladies claim to be so independent. Such strong women! This is pathetic to hear, heartbreaking really, and I wonder if it is a defense mechanism. Thank you in advance.
About the second part, the women do push on in the face of such abuse and adversity and in that way they are very strong. It is an unwinnable battle and it they are getting beaten down with every day that passes.
ReplyDeleteHowever, that is not what I mean. I know what independence they are talking about, but am having a hard time describing it because it is not what I see. Hopefully you will understand. Thanks again!